tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post115832129681198287..comments2008-02-13T12:56:49.113-05:00Dan Shanoffnoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158351416165618012006-09-15T16:16:56.166-04:002006-09-15T16:16:56.166-04:00No way. <BR/><BR/>If you let the top programs (the ones that go to a bowl game ever year) give their players a % of the profit. Then you're ensuring that the top 10 or 15 teams remain the top 10 or 15 and ruining the chance of teams like my boys (ECU) of ever getting elite players.<BR/><BR/>Even if ya just pay them, bowl or not, it still helps the major programs because they have more money.<BR/><BR/>I agree that they should get something, it's bullshit that all that money is made off of them, but there isn't a way to fairly distribute amongst the teams, without killing "the little guys".Bryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14421415440620130557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158350288429545182006-09-15T15:58:08.430-04:002006-09-15T15:58:08.430-04:00I'd say pay only those teams that actually <B>made money for their schools </B>Isiah Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158349035803029512006-09-15T15:37:15.803-04:002006-09-15T15:37:15.803-04:00I'm all for a chick talking sports but "pay for a few scholarships" - come on. You people are acting like he we Rae Carruth.<BR/><BR/>My point isn't to pay all college athletes, but if a team generates MILLIONS for a university and doesn't get anything then maybe you pay them something. Maybe its minimum wage - like they get paid for hours practiced, get a % of the bowl payout - just something. Put it in a fund that they can't receive UNTIL THEY GRADUATE.<BR/><BR/>I really don't think its a crazy concept.Isiah Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158342475165178902006-09-15T13:47:55.166-04:002006-09-15T13:47:55.166-04:00I think if this turns out to be true, he should be stripped of his Heisman. No this may not have any effect on his NFL career. But I think stripping him of Heisman will lead to one of those press conferences similar to Milli Vanilli's when they had to give up the grammy. Not that Reggie was as heinous as they were by far. <BR/><BR/>My ideal situation would involve a truly remorseful Reggie, (cause after all he doesn't really seem like an asshole.) I think he should go proactive, before people try to get legal on him. He should offer to pay for his tuition, etc while he was at USC, and also donate quite a few scholarships. Of course this probably won't happen, but it would be refreshing if it did.<BR/><BR/>Oh and Isaiah Thomas, your idea of paying college athletes is insane, no wonder my Knicks suck. Without the colleges the athletes would have nowhere to showcase their talents. If they help generate revenue for the program they are just in turn helping their NFL stock rise. The payoff comes when they sign those big fat contracts.The Sportsvixenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08764600222946759966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158342361389313202006-09-15T13:46:01.390-04:002006-09-15T13:46:01.390-04:00Who really cares if Bush's family got some benefits? I don't. It broke no rules. If people want to do that, so be it.<BR/><BR/>I also think what happened with Jarret was absolutely ridiculous. How many college students get near-free rent cause they have a friend with a rich dad? Quite a few. But now, cause it's a football player, it can't happen.<BR/><BR/>The NCAA is a load of crap, no doubt about it. Screw the NCAA. College football players should get a stipend too, as they can barely get jobs now (Bomar not withstanding) without someone up their ass.<BR/><BR/>Also, I'm NOT a USC fan. Go Ducks!jtlighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11093229412603524127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158339387232519082006-09-15T12:56:27.233-04:002006-09-15T12:56:27.233-04:00I don't know what to do here. I mean even if you strip his Heisman, do you think Bush will really care? Maybe he does and maybe he doesn't. This is the second go around with this story, and I want to see the proof before passing judgement.<BR/><BR/>As for USC, there is a problem with their instiutional controls. Between the Bush thing and the Jarrett thing and the Leinart thing, something is rotten in the state of Troy. I think they need a full scale, independent investigation of what is going on there. Then if they do find a lack of control and process or whatnot, drop the hammer on them (like what should have been done with CU). And I don't mean some slap on the wrist, "oh please don't do that again" type of punishment, IF there is a big problem there, it may be time to talk about an SMU type penalty. Upside is that it will make all the other programs get serious and clean up there act, well at least I hope it would.Mark (Austin, TX)http://www.blogger.com/profile/08229041076982448408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158338669811517432006-09-15T12:44:29.813-04:002006-09-15T12:44:29.813-04:00Where missing the real point here. <BR/><BR/>How embarasing is it to get busted by Yahoo. Not CNN, or ESPN, or Sports Illistrated...but Yahoo?!?!? Seriously, with all the damn smilies and crap. Yahoo? That's gotta really really suck.Bryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14421415440620130557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158338639395813252006-09-15T12:43:59.396-04:002006-09-15T12:43:59.396-04:00<I>If an agent pursues a player the school is not found liable under new NCAA rules unless it can be proven that there was complete negligence and how is that possible to prove</I>.<BR/><BR/>Wrong. The 2001 rule gives the NCAA the discretion not to include the school in the sanctions if it can be demonstrated that the school is blameless. <BR/><BR/>The standard of proof is dead opposite to what you state. Before 2001 the NCAA had to invoke team sanctions no matter what.anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01170731754282087264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158337676810245122006-09-15T12:27:56.810-04:002006-09-15T12:27:56.810-04:00FWIW, Steven, Langham actually signed the contract with the agent AFTER the Sugar Bowl, so Alabama got to keep the 1992 National Title. They did, however, have to forfeit all of their 1993 games, except the Gator Bowl (since Langham had been kicked off the team).Sladehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11231736158993389431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158337674645964712006-09-15T12:27:54.646-04:002006-09-15T12:27:54.646-04:00FWIW, Steven, Langham actually signed the contract with the agent AFTER the Sugar Bowl, so Alabama got to keep the 1992 National Title. They did, however, have to forfeit all of their 1993 games, except the Gator Bowl (since Langham had been kicked off the team).Sladehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11231736158993389431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158337488489080102006-09-15T12:24:48.490-04:002006-09-15T12:24:48.490-04:00watch tens of thousands wear your jersey, sales that make millions for someone else while you get zero and aren't well off, then talk to me from your high horse.Isiah Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158337216611933002006-09-15T12:20:16.613-04:002006-09-15T12:20:16.613-04:00I'm sure it happens all the time, even at the "clean schools". <BR/><BR/>They're not just getting a scholarship, they're getting experience and readied (is that a word) for the NBA/NFL where they will make millions and millions of dollars. Without the time they spent in college, would not make it at all. You think JJ Reddick could have made an NBA team before his 4 years at duke?<BR/><BR/>And how would ya stop with college, how about a HC player that fills the stands, should he/she get a percentage as well?The Island's Guyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02156873313412418105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158336946033172552006-09-15T12:15:46.033-04:002006-09-15T12:15:46.033-04:00and "congratulations" to the guys who got the scoop? This is like paparazzi journalism. They're just trying to make a name off of someone else....Isiah Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158336913162254432006-09-15T12:15:13.163-04:002006-09-15T12:15:13.163-04:00when a football team earns $12 just for going to a BCS game and the players get zero......<BR/><BR/>sure they get a scholarship but come on, if you helped earn $12 mil for someone and you got ZERO, I think you'd be pissed and apt to accept a little something on the side from an agent or a booster.Isiah Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158336655850757772006-09-15T12:10:55.850-04:002006-09-15T12:10:55.850-04:00Like anyone is goign to listen to Isiah Thomas....paulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15841389707134743578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158336630777721592006-09-15T12:10:30.776-04:002006-09-15T12:10:30.776-04:00They are, it's called professional sports. <BR/><BR/>No way should they should do that on the college level. College players being amateur, and going to the school of their choice based on that particular schools draw (not money) is half of college sports charm.<BR/><BR/>You want people jumping back and forth from college team to college team for bigger paychecks...then it would sucks just like the NBA/NFL do now.The Island's Guyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02156873313412418105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158336588804559022006-09-15T12:09:48.803-04:002006-09-15T12:09:48.803-04:00we will all remember who *really* won these awards anyway (and they'll always have the barry bonds asterisk next to it), so taking the heisman and title away on paper is BS.<BR/><BR/>who cares.anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14081850597589618432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158335846280715152006-09-15T11:57:26.280-04:002006-09-15T11:57:26.280-04:00This brings up a bigger point, why aren't star athletes, or athletes who play on sports that generate huge sums of money for their athletic departments paid?Isiah Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158335751628036472006-09-15T11:55:51.626-04:002006-09-15T11:55:51.626-04:00Everyone here is overacting. Taking away titles and the Heisman will prove what? Anything Bush did off the field had no bearing on game results. You really think VY and Okla. want paper trophy's and titles?<BR/><BR/>Also, this happened between Bush and Agents, not a booster. That's not lack of institutional control. These players aren't locked up and protected 24-7, SC can't control them all the time.<BR/><BR/>And I saw "fine Bush" - ha, that is moronic at best.<BR/><BR/>And before everyone denounces SC, go look under the rocks at EVERY major school.Isiah Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158334790637424452006-09-15T11:39:50.636-04:002006-09-15T11:39:50.636-04:00I'm jumping on the Stephen Laskaris bandwagon. He's got a fantastic idea. Although I don't care about sending Carroll to the Vols.<BR/><BR/>As punishment for the Reggie fiasco, Carroll should be sent to the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets. <BR/><BR/>USC can have Chan Gailey (that will completely destroy their program) and GT can win a national championship under Carroll. <BR/><BR/>Thanks Stephen for the fantastic idea. Although I'd sonner see nothing happen to anyone over this, and I don't understand how the NCAA can remove things they didn't give (like championships or trophys). I'd certainly approve of GT and USC switching coaches!!!Richardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01345431884349785123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158334777183462742006-09-15T11:39:37.183-04:002006-09-15T11:39:37.183-04:00You can take away everything, but no one will actually believe that Vince Young won the Heisman, and that Auburn/Oklahoma won the national title. <BR/>This is not something like steroids where Bush cheated 'on the field.' Some marketing agency just paid so he and his family could make the necessary (albiet lush) travel arangements they couldn't previously afford.<BR/>Bush won the Heisman regardless if the trophy sits in his house, and USC won the title even if the crystal football doesn't sit in their trophy case.Declanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15689341538793160501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158334284735084422006-09-15T11:31:24.736-04:002006-09-15T11:31:24.736-04:00First off, before everyone gets carried away with stripping their national title, heisman, and dealth penalty (laughable!!), they would first have to prove that this happened and when. Do we even know that he took money during the championship season? Even if he did, Auburn or Oklahoma won't get the championship. Does anybody remember when Bama won the championship in 92 over Miami and then later Antonio Langham was found to be ineligible for taking cash. Their title was "stripped away" and they forfieted those games. But Miami wasn't given the title nor does anybody remember years later. <BR/><BR/>So keep dreaming if you think a title or Heisman will be given to someone else. And to answer Dan's question: "Would you want Carroll as your coach?" Um, yeah!! Feel free to send him to Knoxville to coach my Vols anytime USC doesn't want him.slaskarishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01397113886860334235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158333090060986402006-09-15T11:11:30.060-04:002006-09-15T11:11:30.060-04:00I have to agree with richard.<BR/><BR/>"Don't. Do. Anything."<BR/><BR/>What does Reggie Bush care if they take away his heisman. That really means a lot in the NFL these days. Reggie will continue to make $$ no matter what they do. Like this is only happening at USC w/ Reggie Bush. You're telling me Vince Young was clean as a whistle.... They can take away wins, national championships, awards, etc but in the minds of the fans who saw those games we know who won. It's hard to change that after the fact. There will always atleast be an asterisk by those wins, championships, and awards. And we know how everyone likes asterisks in the record books. I'm sure VY really wants to go bragging that he won the heisman b/c Reggie was DQ'd. Look back at the days of Michigan and the Fab 5. When you look back do you really actually consider that they lost all of their games while Webber was there. No. You remember them as one of the best basketball teams of their time, albeit with a little cloud over them. The NCAA makes way too much $$ off these athletes as it is. We'd be naive to think this doesn't happen all over the country.<BR/><BR/>And I'm not even a USC fan......hawkguy86http://www.blogger.com/profile/03177098642391308689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158332104909560722006-09-15T10:55:04.910-04:002006-09-15T10:55:04.910-04:00You cannot take away a national title because they don't exist plain and simple.<BR/><BR/>The only school ever penalized for this is the 84 Florida team. They would have won the National Title if Charlie Pell's allegations hadn't come out before the end of the season. The result? A bowl ban, the coaches not voting for them at all, and 3rd in the AP. BYU won the National Title.<BR/><BR/>USC cannot be held FULLY accountable, but you gotta penalize them.TFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01010794233734225793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1158331884104943942006-09-15T10:51:24.106-04:002006-09-15T10:51:24.106-04:00seriously learn your facts people. If an agent pursues a player the school is not found liable under new NCAA rules unless it can be proven that there was complete negligence and how is that possible to prove. So the NCAA's only possibel action is to go after Bush.chris whttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00347110368948904809noreply@blogger.com