tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post115926377539633940..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Monday A.M. Quickie:Saints Marching OnUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159302336757760232006-09-26T16:25:00.000-04:002006-09-26T16:25:00.000-04:00danthemanwise, I think the difference between Shoc...danthemanwise, I think the difference between Shockey and Winslow 2 is that shockey has a bit more real service time in the NFL, so he has a bit more of a right to criticize. I think Kellen Winslow 2 will end up being a pretty good NFL player, but he has a total of what, 4 NFL games under his belt (3 at the time he made the comment). You gotta earn respect in this league before you can criticize coaches and people who have been around. Shockey maybe an idiot, but he has earned the right to speak a little bit by his performance on the field. Winslow hasn't...yet.Aitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08465798018639732646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159298793719725422006-09-26T15:26:00.000-04:002006-09-26T15:26:00.000-04:00Kellerman was just loud to be loud. Kinda like Ste...Kellerman was just loud to be loud. Kinda like Stephen A.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Iamun...nah, I wasn't insinuating anything at you directly. Or anyone else. Just posting my opinion. <BR/>Like I said, I approached Whitlock (and anyone else in Page 2) from a comedy standpoint. Page 2 to sports is not like Daily Show to news. <BR/><BR/>You could also put me in the 'won't root for the Saints just cuz...' camp. I'm a Steelers fan. That's all.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159296677952665382006-09-26T14:51:00.000-04:002006-09-26T14:51:00.000-04:00Too much content.Not enough time.Too much content.<BR/><BR/>Not enough time.JFreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13998960961891630442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159295953201119322006-09-26T14:39:00.001-04:002006-09-26T14:39:00.001-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.The Revhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04573551553863558468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159295951465005482006-09-26T14:39:00.000-04:002006-09-26T14:39:00.000-04:00I do agree too that the blog Q&A with Whitlock is ...I do agree too that the blog Q&A with Whitlock is the most real I've seen him in a long time.The Revhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04573551553863558468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159295455447653052006-09-26T14:30:00.000-04:002006-09-26T14:30:00.000-04:00I'm gonna jump in on this one.Those who know me kn...I'm gonna jump in on this one.<BR/><BR/>Those who know me know that I'm a bleeding heart liberal. I've documented that well in postings elsewhere. <BR/><BR/>But I'm here to say that the race card is a dangerous thing when used too much. <BR/><BR/>I have always acknowledged the race card's existence. I know too well that racism is still widespread. And I'm even pretty sure that our government uses it to make certain decisions. <BR/><BR/>However, if you play the race card too often, it cheapens it. If you attach racism to situations where it doesn't really exist, you do a disservice. And you add to the divide that already exists. <BR/><BR/>I never had a major problem with Whitlock. But I'm sure he's played the race card one too many times. So has Scoop. Sometimes they are dead on right with their assessments. Sometimes I don't agree with it. Individual situations call for different reactions. Playing the race card blindly no matter what accomplishes nothing. <BR/><BR/>And you can discuss Scoop and Whitlock in the same sentence even though they are adversaries. They are both writers and both wrote for the same company. It's not comparing apples and oranges by any means. It's more like apples and pineapples. <BR/><BR/>And believe me...I know Iam doesn't want Whitlock to die.The Revhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04573551553863558468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159294456851046402006-09-26T14:14:00.000-04:002006-09-26T14:14:00.000-04:00rafael, if youre trying to backhandedly insinuate ...rafael, if youre trying to backhandedly insinuate that i dont believe racism exists or i'm ignorant about racial issues being alive and kicking, try watching last night's bullshit football game... <BR/><BR/>all that posturing about "helping the poor people" and "this Saints game means so much to the city".. if we care SO MUCH about those people, and if we truly want to help them out, then we'd have their stuff cleaned up. or the poor districts would look a whole hell of alot better than they did.<BR/><BR/>because i dont want to hear whitlock's lame claims at race doesnt mean i dont believe it's around.<BR/><BR/>what im calling out is 'the boy who cried wolf'. stop calling racism if it's NOT, but certainly call it out when it truly IS.<BR/><BR/>there is a difference, hopefully you can make the distinction.<BR/><BR/>spike lee.. good activist and artist.<BR/><BR/>jason whitlock... fugazi activist and mediocre "writer".<BR/><BR/>but once again, if whitlock spoke more openly like in his blog interview that got him fired, then he would be someone worth listening to. like i said, his call on Scoop was perfect and he said quite a few great comments.<BR/><BR/>sadly, he doesnt seem to have the balls to write actual columns with those thoughts though. maybe at AOL he will though.. we'll see.iamunstoppablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15812787540233425469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159293780751686012006-09-26T14:03:00.000-04:002006-09-26T14:03:00.000-04:00Oh, and Harold Reynolds was let go because he was ...Oh, and Harold Reynolds was let go because he was accused of sexual harassment, I think.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159293745478031072006-09-26T14:02:00.000-04:002006-09-26T14:02:00.000-04:00Meh...I like Whitlock. I like Scoop too..for diff...Meh...I like Whitlock. I like Scoop too..for different reasons. <BR/><BR/>Whitlock's writing on ESPN was leaning on the comedy side, and I took it as such. <BR/>Scoop's writing is more serious. And he usually hits on very good topics with a human feel to it. <BR/>The 'race card' as you put it is not used for 'shock' value. In my experience, those who complain about a race card are those who don't really believe racism exists or that it isn't widespread.<BR/><BR/>ESPN.com is becoming more entertainment than sports. Page 2 is getting away from good edgy stuff, to bar-lowering mediocrity to soothe the masses. Kinda like SNL. So, anyone edgy has to go because 'they suck'(meaning they write things that make people think...something that most don't really want to do at a sports site)<BR/><BR/>Just my opinion though.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159292933540070142006-09-26T13:48:00.000-04:002006-09-26T13:48:00.000-04:00poppa perks - don't take yourself so seriously. N...poppa perks - don't take yourself so seriously. No need to turn in your ACLU card, but there's no need to be that self righteous.Isiah Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159291761112182342006-09-26T13:29:00.000-04:002006-09-26T13:29:00.000-04:00oh, and 'perks'.. an off-handed remark like 'needs...oh, and 'perks'.. an off-handed remark like 'needs to die' means more of "go away nobody likes you" rather than literally "i want to see him in a casket and be buried". i'm not sitting here pushing pins into a frickin voo-doo doll hoping for his life to expire. learn to not take things so literally. (although you seem smart enough to not take it literally, i think u just wanted to go 'internet soap box' on someone. glad to be your pawn.)iamunstoppablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15812787540233425469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159291607783563492006-09-26T13:26:00.000-04:002006-09-26T13:26:00.000-04:00I have to agree with matthew b. novak on my belove...I have to agree with matthew b. novak on my beloved Twins. Early in the season, it wasn't all that fun watching games. Then things were looking up, but there was still that seemingly insurmountable lead. But they were fun to watch; and looking forward to next year? Holy damn, that was really exciting.<BR/><BR/>Now they're in the playoffs and I can't shake the feeling there's a touch of destiny in everything this scrappy bunch of overachievers does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159291519090387042006-09-26T13:25:00.000-04:002006-09-26T13:25:00.000-04:00he and scoop are not the same with regards to writ...he and scoop are not the same with regards to writing style, but they both suck equally. i didnt say "because these guys are black, they suck". (i think woody paige is stupid too, and jay mariotti is heavy handed and soap-boxy.)<BR/><BR/>whitlock because his writing is juvenile and basic and he simply plays the race card to get a rise. the only reason his columns ever got attention is when he claimed something outlandish. that's called "SHOCK". that's called, shitty journalist, because that's all he can do. <BR/><BR/>scoop.. because everything is exactly what whitlock said in his interview (perpetuating a shitty black stereotype, racist overtones).<BR/><BR/>there is a difference in their styles, but they both equal out to 'crappy'. so, no, that does nullify my overall point (pedro).<BR/><BR/>that said, whitlock's interview actually made me gain some respect for him. except that he's never said anything near as relevant in his own stories. glad to hear that he has worthwhile opinions though, too bad he stifles them (although he sure doesnt think he does).iamunstoppablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15812787540233425469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159288739786914192006-09-26T12:38:00.000-04:002006-09-26T12:38:00.000-04:00The Blue Jays passing the Red Sox yesterday was me...The Blue Jays passing the Red Sox yesterday was meaningless in Boston.<BR/><BR/>I have no idea how it is approached in Toronto but I can speak for Boston since that is where I am right now - and have been my entire life.<BR/><BR/>As a Red Sox fan - we expect to make the playoffs now and compete for a World Series. Going into the season we thought we had a pretty good chance - actually coming out of the All Star Break we thought we had a good chance - we were wrong.<BR/><BR/>Not making the playoffs hurts - I personally couldn't care less if the Red Sox finished 1 game out of the playoffs or 50 games out. They didn't make the playoffs and every other position is meaningless.<BR/><BR/>Two other quick points - the Blue Jays have to hold off the Sox for a week before we can even talk about this. And the Red Sox have been pitching Julian Tavarez and some guy named Gabbard for the last month as middle of the rotation guys.<BR/><BR/>So hopefully that parade through Toronto doesn't get too out of control.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00617207710938001790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159288594569336612006-09-26T12:36:00.000-04:002006-09-26T12:36:00.000-04:00In addidtion to why Dan left, anyone know why Haro...In addidtion to why Dan left, anyone know why Harold Reynolds left ESPN too?Allen Wedgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12511193372395131930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159287849955916432006-09-26T12:24:00.000-04:002006-09-26T12:24:00.000-04:00iamun...I hate Jason Whitlock. I think 99.9% of t...iamun...<BR/><BR/>I hate Jason Whitlock. I think 99.9% of the time he writes, or speaks (on The Sports Reporters- I can't believe ESPN would make a move like this, how does it make sense? Do they really need to cut their costs THAT much because of the MNF bid?), it comes off as both unintelligent, and, well, retarded.<BR/><BR/>However, he and Scoop are nothing alike. They are both African-American Sports writers, true. But that is it. It's like someone saying that Bob Ryan and Woody Paige both need to die. <BR/><BR/>Which leads me further, you said "need to die". Dood, seriously. I mean, because being let go isn't enough? They can write whatever the eff they want to write about; and like I said, Whitlock suuuuuckkks at it. But DIE?Perkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663656686833606967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159287645857353792006-09-26T12:20:00.000-04:002006-09-26T12:20:00.000-04:00Being in KC I get to read a lot of Whitlock. In m...Being in KC I get to read a lot of Whitlock. In my opinion, I think he does play the race card a bit too much, but he always gets a point across. Whether you agree with that point or not is a different arguement. But he's a journalist, his job is to get a reaction out of people. He isn't just a reporter reporting the news and facts, his job is more than that.<BR/><BR/>Dan did the same thing with the Quickie and is doing the same thing with this blog. It's about getting a reaction out of your readers. Here it's in a format that is much easier to comment on than it was on the DQ. Just look at the reaction he has gotten by saying Tampa will draft Brady Quinn or the Blue Jays should celebrate being in 2nd.<BR/><BR/>We don't always agree with what is written, (how boring would that be)yet for some reason we keep going back to read it.jhawkjjmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297634924511036895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159287433320137012006-09-26T12:17:00.000-04:002006-09-26T12:17:00.000-04:00I enjoyed reading Whitlock on Page 2 on days there...I enjoyed reading Whitlock on Page 2 on days there were no Simmons' or Easterbrook columns, and he is right about what ESPN has become. <BR/><BR/>I could go on all day about the pompous attitudes and hype. They bid all that money on the NFL because they know that they can get cable companies to pass those costs on to the customers. So everyone with cable ends up paying for the ESPN NFL contract. And if you dare to criticize them, they go all gestapo on you. <BR/><BR/>Dan, are you ready to let on why you departed Page 2? Anything to do with censorship? Just curious and glad you are still writing.Mikepcflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08980600874603719777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159286896785208802006-09-26T12:08:00.000-04:002006-09-26T12:08:00.000-04:00Completely off topic, just a hilarious reminder of...Completely off topic, just a hilarious reminder of how awesome Tecmo Super Bowl was:<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PBvOxicz-0Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07353671003212539401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159285544316057732006-09-26T11:45:00.000-04:002006-09-26T11:45:00.000-04:00Chris (CT), I think it is a fairly big deal that t...Chris (CT), I think it is a fairly big deal that the Jays are 2nd in the division. I live and work just blocks from the Skydome... err, Rogers Centre... At work this morning I actually had a conversation with a co-worker about how the Jays went ahead of Boston. It is a step in the right direction. Ownership has given the green light to spend more next season, so at least we have something to be hopeful aboutWilliam Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09781712150988671050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159284433233815932006-09-26T11:27:00.000-04:002006-09-26T11:27:00.000-04:00jason whitlock is worthless and only writes race-r...jason whitlock is worthless and only writes race-related drivel and only secured a job because he was an ex-player. landing a job like that is more of "who ya know/blow" than actual talent.<BR/><BR/>so.. it's no surprise he is out, and im sure his defense will be that it's because he's "a strong willed black man". him and scoop need to both die.iamunstoppablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15812787540233425469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159283388478641822006-09-26T11:09:00.000-04:002006-09-26T11:09:00.000-04:00Suspend the coach for a players transgressions. H...Suspend the coach for a players transgressions. Ha. Come on Dan you couldn't have typed that and believed it. You just typed that to spark discussion right?Isiah Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159283308696514982006-09-26T11:08:00.000-04:002006-09-26T11:08:00.000-04:00Why are you still on the Brady Quinn bandwagon?The...Why are you still on the Brady Quinn bandwagon?<BR/><BR/>The guy is more hype than anything else. Point out why he's so great, please.Isiah Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159283269185255462006-09-26T11:07:00.000-04:002006-09-26T11:07:00.000-04:00well you didn't cheer for George Mason so I could ...well you didn't cheer for George Mason so I could see you not cheering for NO.Isiah Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525165991923604174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159282807419323382006-09-26T11:00:00.000-04:002006-09-26T11:00:00.000-04:00Fear the Madden Curse Dan... or maybe it's an EA c...Fear the Madden Curse Dan... or maybe it's an EA curse. Look what happened to the MQ/DQ as soon as it made it onto NCAA '07 as a question... <BR/><BR/>Coincidence? I think not.<BR/><BR/>As a Red Sox fan, good for Toronto. I'm sure they'll be opening bottles of champagne and such... oh wait, no one gives a rat's ass of who comes in 2nd or 3rd when it's over 10 GB in the standings, and there was no hope of the playoffs. <BR/><BR/>Here's hoping for a Twins/Mets World Series. The Twins because they're a great team to root for, and the Mets because they're our brethren in Yankee hating. <BR/><BR/>-Todd (Boston)ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.com