tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post115936308798075756..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Wednesday A.M. Quickie:Cards Chokery, Cont'dUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159388156664767462006-09-27T16:15:00.000-04:002006-09-27T16:15:00.000-04:00Two things:1) Did I see someone rank Garrett Wolfe...Two things:<BR/><BR/>1) Did I see someone rank Garrett Wolfe (the nation's leading rusher) as the top Heisman candidate? Whoever it was ... thank you for not sipping the "only the big boys win the Heisman" kool-aid!!<BR/><BR/>2) Phils fans are pulling, in a weird way, for the Astros. Why? Because blowing an 8-1/2 game lead with two weeks to go trumps blowing a 6-1/2 game lead with two weeks to go. A Cardinal collapse would erase the '64 Phils as the Biggest. Choke. Ever.<BR/><BR/>BrienBrienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17646494642859915601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159372497359717422006-09-27T11:54:00.000-04:002006-09-27T11:54:00.000-04:00Timeout Dan. Card fans weren't the only ones putt...Timeout Dan. Card fans weren't the only ones putting McGwire on a pedestal. The entirety of the baseball public and media was too (probably you included).<BR/><BR/>And as it turns out...we all we were wrong. Hindsight is a bitch.<BR/><BR/>And regarding the Cardinal Choke, is it really a choke job if they're 45-55 in their last 100? The Cards also have a makeup game against San Francisco, if necessary.<BR/><BR/>Worse thing is one bad team is going to get in, be it Houston or St. Louis. And because of it, that team's management will be deluded into not making the necessary big changes for 2007.TBenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10337905315011989614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159369574511093242006-09-27T11:06:00.000-04:002006-09-27T11:06:00.000-04:00@generik:He took 5 before last night. What he too...@generik:<BR/><BR/>He took 5 <I>before</I> last night. What he took last night was the remainder of the bottle, minus 2 which he took when the posse arrived. The prescription had 40 pills, so he took 33 at first, and then 2 more last night.<BR/><BR/>33, huh? There's a chat question for Bill Simmons at noon...Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159368885520505322006-09-27T10:54:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:54:00.000-04:00Hey Kurt (numbnuts)...Just because I am rooting fo...Hey Kurt (numbnuts)...<BR/><BR/>Just because I am rooting for a team to do something doesn't make me a fan. I root for any and every team to beat the Redskins...doesn't make me their fan. Pay attention to the explanation next time.<BR/><BR/>chrth - good point, which backs in part my point. It's all about value. But, where does it says value is determined by best one of the best teams. If Carlos Zambrano went 30-0 this year (which would STILL leave the Cubs out of it), how could anyone say he wasn't MVP - he contributed to 30 wins. Same goes for positional players - why I enjoy the win-shares stats.Jake Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08201105067598986800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159368409239549612006-09-27T10:46:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:46:00.000-04:00Considering the Cards remaining sked...they might ...Considering the Cards remaining sked...they might only win 1 or 2.<BR/><BR/>Houston should have a bit of an easier time.<BR/><BR/>The Reds, if they can sweep the Marlins, only have Pittsburgh...but Pittsburgh has played Cincy tough this season.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159367468873637062006-09-27T10:31:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:31:00.000-04:00yeah, ryan g is correct. TO said he had only take...yeah, ryan g is correct. TO said he had only taken 5 BEFORE this incident. That means he had taken the remaining 35 in the bottle.CorrNDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15371462855078578516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159367349028487822006-09-27T10:29:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:29:00.000-04:00[setting: Parcells' beautiful office. 7:30 am. D...[setting: Parcells' beautiful office. 7:30 am. Dallas, TX. His only visible clothing is a polo shirt that is navy blue except for a silver 5-pointed star over his left breast. He is talking with several assistants, each of whom admire every word he says, mostly because he adds a lot of emphasis.]<BR/><BR/>Parcells: We need to find ways to get more out of Drew. I know he can't run for shit, but he's going to leave here with a ring. And DAMNIT, SO AM I. AND SO ARE ALL OF YOU!<BR/><BR/>Assistant 1: Should we call for more plays that involve Owens? He hasn't been an 'x' factor yet.<BR/><BR/>Assistant 2 (ovbviously battling with #1 for Parcells' good graces): Coach, we're still not sure what T.O. can do. I mean it's been pretty good so far with him, all things considered, but he is still not 100%.<BR/><BR/>Parcells: Yeah, we have dodged a few bullets. There was plenty of room for things to get bad with him.<BR/><BR/>Ass.1: Then let's give him a shot at some serious catches.<BR/><BR/>Parcells: Ok, let's give him some plays that challenge his abilities. I'll take care of talking to Drew about it.<BR/>MARY! (Parcells calls his secretary) CALL DREW IN HERE FOR 10 THIS MORNING.<BR/><BR/>Mary (enters office): Yes, coach. I couldn't help but overhear you mentioning how Mr. Owens has been somewhat tame. <BR/><BR/>Parcells: Yes, a lot of media coverage, as was expected, but the man can play. That's what matters most. <BR/><BR/>Mary: Sir, Mr. Owens tried to kill himself this morning.<BR/><BR/>Parcells: .....<BR/><BR/>Mary: Should I still call Mr. Bledsoe?<BR/><BR/>Parcells: Shit.Perkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663656686833606967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159366772738501052006-09-27T10:19:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:19:00.000-04:00TO: Consensus reaction around me in class seems to...TO: Consensus reaction around me in class seems to be "oh god, now we have to hear about this, and nothing but this, for at least the next week."TJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923521765537437204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159366405561893602006-09-27T10:13:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:13:00.000-04:00Something tells me this is not the way Roger Cleme...Something tells me this is not the way Roger Clemens envisioned making 1 last title shot run back in May and June. But that's not to say he won't take it if it happens.Jingoisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01269679565181077961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159366235296885802006-09-27T10:10:00.001-04:002006-09-27T10:10:00.001-04:00This is the same fan base that made Mark McGwire a...<I>This is the same fan base that made Mark McGwire a god even though he turned out to be the poster guy for the Steroids Era.</I><BR/><BR/>Is it just me, or are you a little more biting when ESPN isn't around to edit you? I think actually Dan that baseball fans <I>in general</I>--and all human media as well--made Big Mac a god for his heroics.<BR/><BR/>I'm having a hard time rooting for the Astros. As a Cubs fan I'm required by law to despise the Cards, but as a Cubs fan raised in teh 90's, I have probably more hate for the Astros (see: 1998, 2004 especially). So while it would be great to see the Cards choke in such epic fashion, I'm not sure I could handle the Astros pulling this coming-from-nowhere act to make the playoffs <I>three fucking years in a row.</I>TJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923521765537437204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159366221060097322006-09-27T10:10:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:10:00.000-04:00Dan, call it home-town bias, but if you're really ...Dan, call it home-town bias, but if you're really looking for an underdog to root for, if you're really looking to get behind the long-shot, remember, the Cincinnati Reds are now only 2.5 back of the Cards. Hell, with the slide St. Louis is pulling here, the Reds have as good a chance as any. <BR/><BR/>Woah, how about this one: the best of both worlds: Reds V. Astros in a one game playoff.<BR/><BR/>You know what, let's root for that! I won't care who wins (although, let's face it, Astors vs. Mets in the NLDS would be much more interesting than Reds/Mets.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159366036990342132006-09-27T10:07:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:07:00.000-04:00Value is a relative measure, not a general one. R...Value is a relative measure, not a general one. Ryan Howard has no value to the Mets. Manny Ramirez, in all honesty, is probably more valuable to the Red Sox than David Ortiz is because not only does MR have his own set of stats, he makes Big Papi a better player by batting behind him. <BR/><BR/>When it comes to the playoffs, value is augmented by getting there. Let's take the Phillies. If the Phillies don't make the playoffs, then Ryan Howard is less valuable. Why? Because without Ryan Howard the Phillies still don't make the playoffs. Now let's look at Derek Jeter: when the Yankees were struggling with injuries and a wounded A-Rod, Jeter stepped up his game both on the field and in the clubhouse and helped the team get through that patch. If you remove Jeter from the Yankees, it's arguable that they go into a tailspin at that time and don't make the playoffs. (BTW, you have no idea how much it pains me to make the case for Jeter)<BR/><BR/>Of course, that's a literal rendering of the term 'valuable'. Considering those that vote for MVP are idiots (ditto those the Heisman) I don't expect them to be aware of such subtleties.Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159365858829636202006-09-27T10:04:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:04:00.000-04:00I hate to be so cynical, but I have to wonder whet...I hate to be so cynical, but I have to wonder whether T.O. is pulling a publicity stunt to gain sympathy or if he was earnest in his suicide attempt. If the latter, then I wish him all the best, but I'm not sure that we will ever know for sureLee S. Kowarskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17953780032530248258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159365797868383972006-09-27T10:03:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:03:00.000-04:00"I was a huge supporter of the Sawx in '04...but a...<I>"I was a huge supporter of the <B>Sawx in '04</B>...but at this point, I'm turning sour on them.<BR/>"</I><BR/><BR/><I>"I have been rooting for the <B>Astros</B> this whole time"</I><BR/><BR/><I>"would mean a likely matchup with Clemens, Oswalt, and Pettite in the NLCS for my <B>Mets</B>"</I><BR/><BR/>Can we say bandwagon fan? Rooting for the Red Sox in 2004, Mets in 2006 and jumping on the Astros bandwagon in late September. Pick a team and stick with them through thick and thin.Kurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14615862536072857322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159365737800097322006-09-27T10:02:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:02:00.000-04:00Monty Python referenceMonty Python referenceBrave Sir Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15219327624473687797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159365673922466952006-09-27T10:01:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:01:00.000-04:00But how can you say that anyone on a non-playoff t...But how can you say that anyone on a non-playoff team is more valuable than a player on a playoff team? <BR/><BR/>The point of baseball is to win the World Series. You can't do that without making the playoffs. Therefore, the best players on teams that make the playoffs matter more than number guys on teams that don't make it.Brave Sir Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15219327624473687797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159365652202147322006-09-27T10:00:00.002-04:002006-09-27T10:00:00.002-04:00And of course, there are still the Cincy Reds just...And of course, there are still the Cincy Reds just 2.5 out, one behind Houston. How about a 3-way tie just for the fun of 2 play-out games?<BR/><BR/>Bonds won't come to Boston....he's already dissed the city in the past, plus....right field is huge beyond the pole....you'd think he'd want to go somewhere with a shorter porch....like, oh....(cue the Imperial March)<BR/><BR/>Brave Sir Robin, is that name a Muppets reference?<BR/><BR/>If the Astros do make it in, can you see the Mets begging not to face them in the first round? Desperate for the Phillies to lose so that they can play an NL West wild card, instead? Of course, we've been hearing "Clemens, Petitte, Oswalt" for a couple of years now....<BR/><BR/>Will Drew Rosenhaus have a comment on TO?Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159365633224355672006-09-27T10:00:00.001-04:002006-09-27T10:00:00.001-04:00the T.O. story... WOW!the T.O. story... WOW!t-bonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557582144953901789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159365613676330412006-09-27T10:00:00.000-04:002006-09-27T10:00:00.000-04:00Dan,Do you seem to forget that the Reds are only 2...Dan,<BR/><BR/>Do you seem to forget that the Reds are only 2.5 back? Just a tidbit for ya.RevScottDeMangeMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220843774217781967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159365325736372542006-09-27T09:55:00.000-04:002006-09-27T09:55:00.000-04:00It's one in the same for the awards for the fact i...It's one in the same for the awards for the fact it should not matter if your team is a top contender (i.e. ARod in Texas). MVP does not mean MVP on one of the best teams...simply most valuable player - plain and simple. Plus, you have to take into account more than just offensive stats as well (i.e. Ryan Howard). As Neyer says, CF's deserve more consideration simply because of the defense required. All that said...who does the most valuable work? Not which player on a playoff team did great.Jake Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08201105067598986800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159364799147358782006-09-27T09:46:00.000-04:002006-09-27T09:46:00.000-04:00@cody: the links in blogger look different based o...@cody: the links in blogger look different based on how you approach the post, so I thought the first one I posted was cut off. Thanks for giving a shortcut.Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159364711172669272006-09-27T09:45:00.000-04:002006-09-27T09:45:00.000-04:00The difference between the Heisman and the MVP is ...The difference between the Heisman and the MVP is that the Heisman is given to the BEST player* in college football while the MVP goes to the Most Valuable player. There's a huge difference; the former is a general ranking, while the latter is relative. And someone who assists their team with getting to the playoffs is more valuable than someone who doesn't, regardless of raw stats. Maybe back in the day when only 4 teams made the playoffs it shouldn't have been a criterion, but at this point it should be a major factor.<BR/><BR/><BR/>*Since we're speaking Heisman, that really should say 'BEST QB-RB-WR Player' since lord knows they'd never give it to a lineman.Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159364405547556152006-09-27T09:40:00.001-04:002006-09-27T09:40:00.001-04:00So TO tries to kill himself, they rush him to the ...So TO tries to kill himself, they rush him to the hospital for a stomach pump, and his publicist claims it was an allergic reaction to the painkiller. Nice coverup.<BR/><BR/>However, I can't help but think this is the media's fault.Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159364400528588902006-09-27T09:40:00.000-04:002006-09-27T09:40:00.000-04:00Bonds WILL be the biggest story, only because it's...Bonds WILL be the biggest story, only because it's going to be awkward to see how baseball responds to the most important record in the game being broken by a cheater. Will Selig call for a celebration? How will Hank Aaron or Willie Mays react?jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876778835517563797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159364361035095842006-09-27T09:39:00.000-04:002006-09-27T09:39:00.000-04:00Have to admit, I was one of those people who said,...Have to admit, I was one of those people who said, "Nelson was still alive?"<BR/><BR/>As for the Red Sox...are you serious? Do we really care about ANY storyline out of them? Every year it's who's leaving, will Manny be gone, blah blah blah. I was a huge supporter of the Sawx in '04 and still like them since my father's a fan...but at this point, I'm turning sour on them.<BR/><BR/>I have been rooting for the Astros this whole time because I love to see records broken and history made. THEN, today I realized that the Astros in the playoffs would mean a likely matchup with Clemens, Oswalt, and Pettite in the NLCS for my Mets...so, I changed my mind...go BIRDS!!!<BR/><BR/>As for the point chrth brought up...again, the MVP should not HAVE to go to a player on a playoff team, just like the Heisman SHOULD not have to go to a player on a national contender. (3 best Heisman candidates right NOW - Wolfe, Manningham and C Johnson). And in the NL, again, how about some respect for the amazing numbers, defense, and run creation from Reyes!Jake Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08201105067598986800noreply@blogger.com