tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post115996717241529408..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Wednesday A.M. Quickie:MVPs Rule LDSUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159987747133833812006-10-04T14:49:00.000-04:002006-10-04T14:49:00.000-04:00JOSE REYES FOR MVP!!!JOSE REYES FOR MVP!!!Jake Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08201105067598986800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159986204762701902006-10-04T14:23:00.000-04:002006-10-04T14:23:00.000-04:00@the frog:Why I don't consider Johan Santana a str...@the frog:<BR/><BR/>Why I don't consider Johan Santana a strong MVP candidate.<BR/><BR/>7 W, 6 L, 3.38 ERA.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry, Santana obviously benefits from playing in Minnesota. Too obviously. For a pitcher to be MVP, they have to be dominating across the board, any venue, any situation. The evidence isn't there that Santana did that this season. One could argue his run support was worse on the road--and it probably was--but Santana also gave up more runs outside of his friendly confines. Cy Young? Definitely in the discussion. MVP? Not in my book.Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159985922746405562006-10-04T14:18:00.000-04:002006-10-04T14:18:00.000-04:00Tim -- I wasn't all that serious about it. Just th...Tim -- I wasn't all that serious about it. Just the way you wrote it...'he'd have 3 hits if 2 weren't caught'...just struck me as funny. <BR/>It wasn't a dig at A-Rod specifically. <BR/>People don't like A-Rod because of the color of his eyes. Check out Chris Leak's eyes..same thing. Ya'll are crazy.<BR/><BR/>Now I have to go back to work.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159985858849574522006-10-04T14:17:00.000-04:002006-10-04T14:17:00.000-04:00On the Friday Night Lights pilot — very similar to...On the Friday Night Lights pilot — very similar to the movie, down to the star-player-gets-hurt-in-first-game plot device. Sometimes looks like it's trying a little too hard. But entertaining? Oh hell yes. And the scene directly after the game where BOTH teams gather at midfield in prayer blew me away. Totally wasn't expecting it. The coach is extremely likable. Plus they brought back the beautiful tunes by Explosions In The Sky to add to the experience. <BR/><BR/>I'm excited to see where this goes.Shumshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427294708952512804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159985659493251642006-10-04T14:14:00.000-04:002006-10-04T14:14:00.000-04:00OK, OK...I'm sorry I cited "expectations" as MVP c...OK, OK...I'm sorry I cited "expectations" as MVP criteria on behalf of Frank Thomas.<BR/><BR/>It's totally irrelevant (although extremely interesting).<BR/><BR/>I still think he is in the argument.<BR/><BR/>-- DanDan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159985250673966852006-10-04T14:07:00.000-04:002006-10-04T14:07:00.000-04:00I don't get the argument that pitchers shouldn't w...<I>I don't get the argument that pitchers shouldn't win MVP because there's a Cy Young Award. The best pitcher in the league can't be his team's most valuable player? Why not? Because he might get two awards? So what?</I><BR/><BR/>Mattie - could not have said it any better. It's the Most Valuable <I>Player</I>. Everyone is eligible. Do not start making up built-in excuses for why a pitcher or DH should not win it.Worldwide Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392063253787919708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159985081321687132006-10-04T14:04:00.000-04:002006-10-04T14:04:00.000-04:00There's a problem in the MNF booth, alright - and ...There's a problem in the MNF booth, alright - and its name is Joe Theismann. SteelersFan is right - him and Kornheiser do not have any chemisty. They actually seem to genuinely dislike each other, with Kornheiser just giving up already, like he just doesn't care.<BR/><BR/>Tirico is solid - I don't have a problem with him. However, I think the ultimate 3 man team would be Nessler, Kornheiser, and Jaws. Or even Colinsworth. <BR/><BR/>One guy to call the play-by-play - and actually announce the <I>action on the field</I>, for every play! This is my biggest problem with Al Michaels.<BR/><BR/>One guy to make the witty/snide comments - Kornheiser. Also, I think he knows enough about football to get by. Though we do still need an expert ...<BR/><BR/>... and that would be Jaws.Worldwide Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392063253787919708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159984989952510402006-10-04T14:03:00.000-04:002006-10-04T14:03:00.000-04:00"Jeter is in his prime, while Frank Thomas is supp..."Jeter is in his prime, while Frank Thomas is supposed to be years past his." Has no bearing whatsoever on an MVP race. If you need that as a supplemental arugment, it's obvious he's not the MVP. <BR/><BR/>Take each player off each team.<BR/><BR/>A's - Same thing as the year before. Surprise contender.<BR/><BR/>Yankees - Fall apart in April/May/June. <BR/><BR/>Thomas - Put up good numbers, but not huge. Dye's were better, plus he played defense.<BR/><BR/>Jeter - Gold Glove year at SS, 2nd in the AL in batting at .343, over 100 runs, 97 RBI, 34 SB, and 14 HR's for fun. He contributes in every single facet of the game and does so WELL ABOVE average. Maybe the most convincing argument; when he comes up in a clutch situation or when an oppurtunity comes up to make a great defensive play he makes it. We are only surprised when he DOESN'T make a great play, or start a late inning rally. (precourt.blogspot.com)Precourthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13128335172041536732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159983377486051082006-10-04T13:36:00.000-04:002006-10-04T13:36:00.000-04:00the worst part about MNF is Tirico, with THEES-man...the worst part about MNF is Tirico, with THEES-man as a close 2nd.<BR/><BR/>What's wrong with Brad Nessler that he can't do MNF? <BR/><BR/>The booth now is the most politically correct group I've ever seen in my life, especially with 2 female sideline reporters for god knows what reason...Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11087094908297676378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159983185003760952006-10-04T13:33:00.000-04:002006-10-04T13:33:00.000-04:00I don't get the argument that pitchers shouldn't w...I don't get the argument that pitchers shouldn't win MVP because there's a Cy Young Award. The best pitcher in the league can't be his team's most valuable player? Why not? Because he might get two awards? So what?<BR/> <BR/>Until they change the name to the Most Valuable Non-Pitcher/Non-DH Player, I don't see why there should be a problem with Ortiz or Santana (or Pedro back on the Red Sox) or whoever taking the MVP.<BR/> <BR/>As for this year, I think Jeter will definitely get it, and I dont' have a problem with him winning, even though arguments can be made for others.mattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13140791869711206907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159982741833215752006-10-04T13:25:00.000-04:002006-10-04T13:25:00.000-04:00jhawkgguy -... I might be wrong, but it seems to m...jhawkgguy -<BR/><BR/>... I might be wrong, but it seems to me that you have entirely missed the whole entirety of baseball lineup theory. If you had said "The Yankees lineup is so loaded that even the 7-8-9 hitters get on base all the time," then I wouldn't think this. <BR/><BR/>I feel like a jackass explaining this, but it's not like 'tim' is unaware that baserunners from the bottom of the order stay on base when you go back to the top of the order. The idea is that those guys are less likely to get on base (more likely to get an out), which is why they're batting 8th or 9th.<BR/><BR/>Since my Tigers have very recently been manhandled by New York's entire lineup, this argument isn't convincing to me, because yes, even their 7-8-9 guys seem to do just fine.<BR/><BR/><BR/>But on some teams, it's a leadoff guy's job to get on base and score runs, more than it's his job to bat them in.<BR/><BR/>F'rinstance: I'm batting, I think, 4-for-5 on the young year in IM Softball. No RBIs, though, because the spazzy guy who overruns second base and gets tagged out bats before me. It would be much easier for me to get RBIs if, instead, the best hitter on our team hit right before me.john (east lansing, mi)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03872457640564913468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159982445775794132006-10-04T13:20:00.000-04:002006-10-04T13:20:00.000-04:00Good to hear about Friday Night Lights, I dvr-ed i...Good to hear about Friday Night Lights, I dvr-ed it last night, but haven't had a chance to watch it yet.<BR/><BR/>I say let's give the MVP to Jeter, and let Thomas or Morneau's team make it to the WS.<BR/><BR/>And yes Kornheiser needs to stop censoring himself, especially with Joe going on about his ring. That was deplorable.Badass Of The Yearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16006421706977226384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159982073285133392006-10-04T13:14:00.000-04:002006-10-04T13:14:00.000-04:00pitchers shouldn't win the MVP, they have their ow...pitchers shouldn't win the MVP, they have their own award last time I checked. Yes, I know in the 80s it happened a few times, but that was the 80s...did you see how people dressed back then?<BR/><BR/>How about Thomas for comeback player of the year?Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11087094908297676378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159980414805698412006-10-04T12:46:00.000-04:002006-10-04T12:46:00.000-04:00ndyanksfan, when you said that it is a legit argum...ndyanksfan, when you said that it is a legit argument to say that hitting it hard at someone is basically a hit is way off base, how many times during a season do you hit a slow dribbler that stops dead between the short stop and third baseman, or hit a grounder through the hole vacated because of a hit and run...in other words, these things even out over the course of a long season. You get robbed a fair amount of times and you get a cheap hit a fair amount of times. <BR/><BR/>Yes, in the playoffs, you don't have much of a chance for these things to even out because of the brevity of the playoff season, but you get the idea.<BR/><BR/>Also, Jeter will more than likely win the MVP, do I agree, I guess. Did he have an MVP season, no, is he the best candidate, probably. Would he have won MVP with the same exact numbers if Sheff and Matsui didn't get injured, no way in hell, but that's not the point, he is going to win because they got hurt, I don't know if that makes you the most valueable, but that's how it's going to shake out this year. If I had a vote, I think I'd give it to Morneau, he's the first guy in forever to hit 30 HRs for Minnesota, and he carried that team during their unbelievable stretch.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12578294344206366226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159980332188664922006-10-04T12:45:00.000-04:002006-10-04T12:45:00.000-04:00I think my father-in-law put it best about Kenny R...I think my father-in-law put it best about Kenny Rogers:<BR/><BR/>"I know he might be a total jerk, but I mean, how many times do you have to bug a guy and have him go off on you, until you learn to just STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM?!"<BR/><BR/>Look, I'm not condoning the guy's actions, but I'm not asking him for an autograph unless he offers one...MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05833230465240793728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159980192232462772006-10-04T12:43:00.000-04:002006-10-04T12:43:00.000-04:00I consider the MVP to be the player that had the b...<I>I consider the MVP to be the player that had the biggest individual impact on a team's success during the regular season.</I><BR/><BR/>Chrth - any thoughts on Santana?<BR/><BR/>Mega, I'm sure the stats are out there re: the walk totals, but I'm too lazy to look for them.Worldwide Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392063253787919708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159979915846151622006-10-04T12:38:00.000-04:002006-10-04T12:38:00.000-04:00However, I think Jeter is the MVP. He has the numb...<I>However, I think Jeter is the MVP. He has the numbers to justify it finally. Also, I think it's his time. When we look back at the nineties, we're going to see all those damn Yankees championships</I><BR/><BR/>Good god, Robin - this is NOT a Lifetime Achievment Award. This is not about it being somebody's "time." This is about - who was most <I>valuable</I>. If people want to give it to Jeter because they think he was the most valuable player in the AL, on a Yankees team that won 97 games, in a lineup in which Giambi, Damon, Posada, and last year's MVP, ARod, all played more than 120 games - then fine. That's your opinion. We agree to disagree.<BR/><BR/>Johan Santana is my MVP. Then Ortiz. Then Jermaine Dye. I'd lump Jeter together with Frank Thomas & even Travis Haffner.Worldwide Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392063253787919708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159979736358224592006-10-04T12:35:00.000-04:002006-10-04T12:35:00.000-04:00Best thing about ADud's hit, and Simmons nailed it...Best thing about ADud's hit, and Simmons nailed it in his blog, it came on the back end of the Yanks putting up 5 runs!<BR/><BR/>As ndyanksfan said:<BR/>"Anyone who saw what happened with the Red Sox after losing Varitek knows that without Jeter that team would have fallen apart." <BR/><BR/>I disagree, shortstop isn't a very hard position to replace, especially when you got one playing 3rd base. The Yankees didn't miss a step two or three years ago when Jeter was out for awhile with that shoulder injury in the first game. Losing Posada is the only equivalent to losing Veritek. Catcher is the hardest position to replace and not miss a beat.<BR/><BR/>Also, the arguement that Jeter had nearly 100 rbi's out of the two-spot means absolutely nothing. The only time it means anything is the first at bat of the game. Other than that he's got plenty of hitters in front of him to drive in. Just like Damon puts up big rbi numbers as a leadoff, its cause the people at the bottom of the lineup getting on. Position in the batting order doesn't mean much in terms of driving in runs, its about coming up with people on base in front of you, whether they are hitting first or 8th.<BR/><BR/>But considering there really is no clear choice for MVP this year for AL MVP, I say give it to Jeter, even if it is like when Eric Crouch was given the Heisman trophey... ie more of a lifetime acheivement award and a joke.jhawkjjmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297634924511036895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159978585078215012006-10-04T12:16:00.000-04:002006-10-04T12:16:00.000-04:00The only thing of worth so far is that someone typ...The only thing of worth so far is that someone typed "A-Rod went only had one hit yesterday, but very easily could have had 3 if he hadnt lined out twice." and noone immediately made fun of it.<BR/><BR/>Ya know...Adam Dunn could have hit 100 homeruns and batted .600 if he didn't strike out so much. <BR/><BR/>Ryan Howard would have been the homerun record holder if he had hit 74 homeruns.<BR/><BR/>etc. etc.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159977978462287652006-10-04T12:06:00.000-04:002006-10-04T12:06:00.000-04:00Chrth, you are missing the point. Who cares what p...<B><BR/>Chrth, you are missing the point. Who cares what place the Red Sox would of came in with Ortiz. Third place going 86-76 like the Red Sox did is a lot different than third place going 71-91 just ahead of the Orioles. <BR/></B><BR/><BR/>Yeah, they'll pick lower in the amateur draft. Ortiz deserves mad props for that--what was I thinking?<BR/><BR/>Ortiz doesn't deserve the MVP on the Red Sox because without Manny he wouldn't be in this discussion. Period. <BR/><BR/>And folks, remember: <I>I root for the Red Sox</I>. I'm not saying all this because I'm a basher. I'm saying this because I consider the MVP to be the player that had the biggest individual impact on a team's <I>success</I> during the regular season. I don't care about raw stat comparisons.Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159976339999798612006-10-04T11:39:00.000-04:002006-10-04T11:39:00.000-04:00chris maher - that's what I get for typing too fas...chris maher - that's what I get for typing too fast and not proofing...thanks - at least someone got what I was getting at :)<BR/><BR/>If Ortiz didn't get it last year, it will be slime to no chance that a DH ever will. MVP simply means the most valuable player to a team - never once does it say anything about making the playoffs. Again, this is why win-shares is such an interesting stat. <BR/><BR/>Fact is, just because Jeter has a better lineup around him, doesn't mean he still doesn't have to produce (look at ARod from last year to this). That's why I think Reyes is overlooked in the NL. Beltran's, Wright's and Delgado's numbers wouldn't be as good without Reyes' on base presence and top of the lineup ability. In addition, the infield defense wouldn't be the same without him. <BR/><BR/>That said, Ortiz changes the entire Sox lineup, but he still has no bearing on the defense. That's what makes the DH such a longshot to win. Granted, without Thomas, the A's wouldn't have won as many games, but how many games would the Yanks win without Jeter all year (especially during the injury filled stretch)? In any case - Ortiz > Thomas, therefore, Thomas doesn't deserve it.Jake Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08201105067598986800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159976053961416592006-10-04T11:34:00.000-04:002006-10-04T11:34:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Brave Sir Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15219327624473687797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159975997194329832006-10-04T11:33:00.000-04:002006-10-04T11:33:00.000-04:00I hate the Yankees, like any decent person. A-Rod...I hate the Yankees, like any decent person. A-Rod was a BS choice last year (see Bill Simmons' article on the topic).<BR/><BR/>However, I think Jeter is the MVP. He has the numbers to justify it finally. Also, I think it's his time. When we look back at the nineties, we're going to see all those damn Yankees championships (blacking out, trying to keep writing)...<BR/><BR/>...and who are we going to think of? Jeter. More than anyone else on those teams, he defined that era of championships. While he may not be an all-time great, I do think he's a defining player for the time he's been in the league. And I think that counts for something when looking at the MVP. I'm not saying it's the best argument, but to me, it seems like a tie breaker. Jeter's numbers are very good, and his team made the playoffs. Plus, he plays defense (mediocre, however). I think it's time the award goes to him. I mean, it's definitely not a bad choice, unlike in other leagues... cough NASH! coughBrave Sir Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15219327624473687797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159975665929632662006-10-04T11:27:00.000-04:002006-10-04T11:27:00.000-04:001. Opening night for hockey is really, very good. ...1. Opening night for hockey is really, very good. And it won't be this exciting for a long time in the season (Watch the Buffalo game, but don't look directly at the new Buffalo jerseys).<BR/><BR/>2. Frank would be a great argument as MVP, except there are about 8 hitters in MLB who could have done the same thing (11 players had more HRs). No one can replace Jeter, and replaceability is the essence of value. He's balanced offensively, he plays good defense, and his leadership can't be understated in the continuing wake of their collapse against Boston.<BR/><BR/>And I agree with the people who think Ortiz before Frank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1159974977426473842006-10-04T11:16:00.000-04:002006-10-04T11:16:00.000-04:00Frog, you bring up a great point about Johan Santa...Frog, you bring up a great point about Johan Santana, I may have to think about that.<BR/><BR/>Of those 38+ walks that Ortiz had over Thomas, how many were with RISP or were intentional?Megahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407561625097289402noreply@blogger.com