tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post116039597293903731..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Monday A.M. Quickie:So Much More Than T.O.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160444589907758922006-10-09T21:43:00.000-04:002006-10-09T21:43:00.000-04:00That is actually correct. If both Ohio State and F...That is actually correct. If both Ohio State and Florida win their games, Florida will be #1 next week with a rating of 1629 (or 1644) and OSU will be #2 with a rating of 1608 (or 1623). The reason for this is Michigan State's 3 losses giving them a rating of only 978, while Auburn's rating is 1328.<BR/><BR/>Ohio State can reclaim the top spot the following week at Indiana, even though their current rating is 908, and Indiana is likely to lose this week to Iowa, which will give them a rating next week of 846.<BR/><BR/>Florida has a bye next week and will not be able to keep up with Ohio State, if they are able to win the next 2 games. Florida will also likely be passed by Michigan for the same reason.FreKy Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322127577984239799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160437706400784522006-10-09T19:48:00.000-04:002006-10-09T19:48:00.000-04:00so i'm assuming that if FLA and OSU win this week ...so i'm assuming that if FLA and OSU win this week that FLA will pass OSU on your rankings since they played a better opponent?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160435678070935202006-10-09T19:14:00.000-04:002006-10-09T19:14:00.000-04:00FULL DISCLOSURE!I just posted the full 119-team ra...<B>FULL DISCLOSURE!</B><BR/><BR/>I just posted the full 119-team rankings for CFB Ladder Week 6. You can see it <A HREF="http://frekyj.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">HERE</A> if any of you are interested.FreKy Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322127577984239799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160435142082553812006-10-09T19:05:00.000-04:002006-10-09T19:05:00.000-04:00I reworked a little bit of code to find out:Northe...I reworked a little bit of code to find out:<BR/><BR/>Northern Illinois is tied for 46th with Purdue at 1079 points.FreKy Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322127577984239799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160434406686423082006-10-09T18:53:00.000-04:002006-10-09T18:53:00.000-04:00@john (ann arbor, mi)I fully agree. I was mostly j...<I>@john (ann arbor, mi)</I><BR/>I fully agree. I was mostly just really excited to have actually put together the system properly (yes I wrote code, it's in C#) and right at the start of this season that I tossed it out for viewing WAY too early. I won't make that mistake again. It really shouldn't be displayed until 6 weeks are played (meaning it should have been FIRST released this week). So please everyone pardon my over-exuberance.<BR/><BR/><I>@brien</I><BR/>You asked where Northern Illinois ranks of the 119 teams. The code I wrote only puts the teams in order of the top 25 and the bottom 20 (I only gave the bottom 10 earlier), however:<BR/><BR/>Northern Illinois has a rating of 1079, which should put them slightly above middle.FreKy Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322127577984239799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160431781803888862006-10-09T18:09:00.000-04:002006-10-09T18:09:00.000-04:00don't care, don't care.don't care, don't care.Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11087094908297676378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160430438607608472006-10-09T17:47:00.000-04:002006-10-09T17:47:00.000-04:00yes, and who has Notre Dame beaten again? oh and ...yes, and who has Notre Dame beaten again? <BR/><BR/>oh and who did they lose to?<BR/><BR/>his ranking does not take into account the fact that the refs gave OU a loss they should not have.Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11087094908297676378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160428734630560102006-10-09T17:18:00.000-04:002006-10-09T17:18:00.000-04:00freky -I got the idea in the first place, I just t...freky -<BR/><BR/>I got the idea in the first place, I just thought you were throwing it at everybody when it didn't make any sense to do so (before you had enough data to mean anything). Also, I wasn't sure about how the BS (not a 'BCS' typo) conferences would skew your figures (you know, like the Big XII...). <BR/><BR/>But one has to admit, with about 50% of precincts reporting, your numbers are starting to shape right up. I'm just shocked that USC isn't in the Top 3. Oh, wait. No. That's not what I am at all.<BR/><BR/>Looking forward to the second half of the poll's season.john (east lansing, mi)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03872457640564913468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160427715088599182006-10-09T17:01:00.000-04:002006-10-09T17:01:00.000-04:00Wow, thanks john for backing me up on the ladder r...Wow, thanks john for backing me up on the ladder rankings. I'm glad someone else finally sees that the ratings reflect exactly what has been done on the field this year. The fact that Ohio State, Florida and Michigan are only 46 points apart from top to bottom, yet USC at #4 is 47 points behind Michigan, and Louisville at #5 is 101 points away from the top shows that currently all 3 teams are VERY strong and until one of them loses it will stay that way.<BR/><BR/>The rules are quite simple:<BR/>1) All teams begin the season with 1000 points. (A level playing field)<BR/>2) Winning a game versus another team results in gaining 100 points, minus 10% of the difference in points when subtracting the losing team's rating from the winning team's rating. If the difference is negative (meaning the losing team had the higher rating) then the points are added instead.<BR/>3) Losing a game versus another team results in losing 100 points, minus 10% of the difference in points when subtracting the losing team's rating from the winningi team's rating. Again, if the difference is negative, the points are instead added.<BR/>4) Division I-AA teams count as having 0 points for the purpose of calculation.<BR/>5) Defeating a team by 21 or more points is considered a strong victory and results in a bonus of 15 rating points. The losing team is not penalized for this.FreKy Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322127577984239799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160427656825533122006-10-09T17:00:00.000-04:002006-10-09T17:00:00.000-04:00So in your 20/20 fantasy lineup, who was the QB th...So in your 20/20 fantasy lineup, who was the QB throwing the ball to one of the receivers and one of the running backs? <BR/><BR/>None other than your least favorite QB still playing, the one that you think should quit.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17820189981035253295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160427494254176202006-10-09T16:58:00.000-04:002006-10-09T16:58:00.000-04:00freky,Just out of curiosity, where do you have Nor...freky,<BR/><BR/>Just out of curiosity, where do you have Northern Illinois ranked on your ladder system?<BR/><BR/>Not planning to disagree with where they're at, just curious, having lost to the clear #1, but a shaky Ohio U. squad, yet wins over I-AA Indiana State, Miami, and Ball State.<BR/><BR/>I'm guessing maybe 80, 90, somewhere in there.<BR/><BR/>BrienBrienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17646494642859915601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160425605823863672006-10-09T16:26:00.000-04:002006-10-09T16:26:00.000-04:00Chris Maher -Call me when your rankings aren't bas...Chris Maher -<BR/><BR/>Call me when your rankings aren't based on last year's results, but instead on a team's actual performance this year. What has Texas done? Lost big-time to (your) Big Ten team, and beaten a number of... Big XII teams?<BR/><BR/>If Texas is better than ND, freky's poll will reflect that... after Texas has proven it on the field by winning all the rest of their games, and ND has lost another one.<BR/><BR/>And besides, he was just listing the Bottom Ten, using perhaps the only system that can provide a good bottom ten (or Top 35 for that matter), since NOBODY watches enough Troy games to rank then above or below EMU (yay Ypsi). Besides, Angelique from detnews.com would rank Florida #116 and screw everything up.<BR/><BR/>If you'd been paying attention, ever, you would realize that those ladder rankings are based on what teams have done <B>this year</B>, since the season started. If Texas hasn't played their real tough games (except OSU) yet, they haven't done much. Wait until December, and I bet freky's results will be hard to argue with.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry if it's hard for you to deal with a system that doesn't require potshot preseason premises to rank 25 teams.john (east lansing, mi)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03872457640564913468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160424558204209852006-10-09T16:09:00.000-04:002006-10-09T16:09:00.000-04:00call me when your rankings don't have ND 6 slots a...call me when your rankings don't have ND 6 slots above Texas, and NJSU 3 spots above the 'horns.Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11087094908297676378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160424433010696082006-10-09T16:07:00.000-04:002006-10-09T16:07:00.000-04:00Just out of the fun and hilarity of it, here's the...Just out of the fun and hilarity of it, here's the bottom 10 teams from my ladder ratings.<BR/><BR/>110) Troy / 647<BR/>111) Louisiana-Monroe / 637<BR/>112) San Diego State / 614<BR/>113) Stanford / 579<BR/>114) Eastern Michigan / 567<BR/>115) Temple / 541<BR/>116) Duke / 532<BR/>117) Colorado / 514<BR/>118) Miami (OH) / 494<BR/>119) Florida International / 491FreKy Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322127577984239799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160423880434737192006-10-09T15:58:00.000-04:002006-10-09T15:58:00.000-04:00Steve Warden Fort Wayne (IN) Journal still wins f...Steve Warden Fort Wayne (IN) Journal still wins for his AP ballot...<BR/><BR/>1 Ohio St. OK<BR/>2 Florida SURE<BR/>3 Southern Cal HUH?<BR/>4 Texas WHAT!?!<BR/>5 Michigan <BR/>6 West Virginia<BR/>7 Louisville<BR/>8 Auburn <BR/>9 Notre Dame<BR/>10 Tennessee WHY BEHIND AUB/ND?Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11087094908297676378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160423574408985302006-10-09T15:52:00.000-04:002006-10-09T15:52:00.000-04:00chris maher~ Cool recruiting link. I found my nep...chris maher~ Cool recruiting link. I found my nephew (kind of??) that is red-shirted freshman at Iowa. Hope he doesn't start acting like Drew Tate...spiking the ball when he's not getting his way, etc. LOL I doubt he will. He's a good kid.Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11071405721004631626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160422186833769792006-10-09T15:29:00.000-04:002006-10-09T15:29:00.000-04:00Oh, and you win the battle vs. that Detroit News w...Oh, and you win the battle vs. that Detroit News writer. USC <I>up</I> to #2, and UF at #5, after the weekend that just transpired? Does she own a TV or computer?<BR/><BR/>I don't know why Wojo lets her work in his Sports section.john (east lansing, mi)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03872457640564913468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160421550700146202006-10-09T15:19:00.000-04:002006-10-09T15:19:00.000-04:00I also wanted to throw in that I'm going to take m...I also wanted to throw in that I'm going to take my foot off the accelerator on my constant Top 25 ballot-harping.<BR/><BR/>Wasn't one of my fundamental Quickie platforms that college football's regular season is, itself, a de facto playoff?<BR/><BR/>Every week is win-or-go-home (or "survive-and-advance," if that's your thing). It's crazy to argue over who is 2 or 3 or whatever...<BR/><BR/>...Not when there's an underratedly elegant system in place to winnow a field of 100-plus teams down to a half-dozen in a span of a few weeks...<BR/><BR/>And, ultimately, to whittle THAT group down to 1 or 2 (or, sometimes, 3) by the end of the season. This is why the SEC is so grueling: It's so difficult to go through the season (plus a title game) unbeaten. Though Auburn did it a few years ago and got totally screwed by the BCS system (bitterness reserved for another day).<BR/><BR/>The only REAL debate happens if (or, as I'd argue WHEN) there are more than 2 teams left unbeaten by the end (or, alternatively, 1 unbeaten and several once-beaten or, alternativey, zero unbeaten and several once-beaten).<BR/><BR/>I just like harping on the ballots because I think that most voters have no business being in charge of who our national champ might be.Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160421311943850202006-10-09T15:15:00.000-04:002006-10-09T15:15:00.000-04:00Thanks for weighing in, Dan. That's fair, oughta ...Thanks for weighing in, Dan. That's fair, oughta be enough to shut us up (at least the logical/sane ones among us).<BR/><BR/>I'll take UF at #2, for now, and hopefully we can see UM and UF fight it out on the field at the end of the year (unfortunately, no RonZookery to derail UF's last chance desperation drive this year).<BR/><BR/>As far as B10/SEC comparisons go, I think they're pretty similar this year. My previous comments (link in Comment #2 on this page) demonstrated how dubious I think Auburn/LSU/Georgia are this year. In fact, I'd say UF already beat their toughest competition down there, in the Vols.<BR/>So, the Big Ten and SEC schedules are both loaded with "stumbling block" games, but not monsters, up until UM-OSU. That means if a team can make it through without... stumbling, they deserve a trip to the title game.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Anyway, Dan, you make a good point - UM has complete Destiny Control here, so let's take it easy on the poll watching, eh, Manningham's-left-and-right-brains?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Speaking of which... this is the worst news I can imagine reporting, but my high school buddy (and now UF alum) tells me people say Super Mario's knee might not be ok for playing this weekend. That would blow.john (east lansing, mi)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03872457640564913468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160420987988435192006-10-09T15:09:00.000-04:002006-10-09T15:09:00.000-04:00Ooh, Dan's responded to comments....another column...Ooh, Dan's responded to comments....another column on the blog coming soon?Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160420910988337962006-10-09T15:08:00.000-04:002006-10-09T15:08:00.000-04:00No way in hell USC wins out. Not a chance. They ...No way in hell USC wins out. Not a chance. They just aren't that good. Which is something I'm trying hard to reconcile with the beating they gave Arkansas. The Arkansas-Auburn-USC-Wash St. quadrangle is a great indicator that the regular season just doesn't work as a de facto playoff. Hell, sometimes the <I>Big 10</I> season doesn't work as a de facto conference tournament, and that's only 11 teams, not 119.TJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923521765537437204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160420384649346022006-10-09T14:59:00.000-04:002006-10-09T14:59:00.000-04:00wow. this ballot is AWESOMEAre you serious?I like...wow. this ballot is AWESOME<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/collegefootball_front/votes/10020.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME" REL="nofollow">Are you serious?</A><BR/><BR/>I like Herbie's 1-9Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11087094908297676378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160419995354872322006-10-09T14:53:00.000-04:002006-10-09T14:53:00.000-04:00@manningheisDunno. Only 1 Big Ten Commit@manningheis<BR/><BR/>Dunno. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/quicklist.asp?Position=4&sport=1" REL="nofollow">Only 1 Big Ten Commit</A>Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11087094908297676378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160419423170592982006-10-09T14:43:00.000-04:002006-10-09T14:43:00.000-04:00First of all: Tebow for Heisman was meant as an "I...First of all: Tebow for Heisman was meant as an "Instant History" joke.<BR/><BR/>Second: I'm having a hard time with Michigan vs. Florida.<BR/><BR/>I'd say this: Florida has done more on the field to prove its worthiness to be ranked ahead of Michigan. (USC, too.)<BR/><BR/>Michigan enjoys these SUBSTANTIAL advantages over Florida:<BR/><BR/>(1) The Big Ten ain't nearly as tough as the SEC. (See Ohio St's remaining schedule.)<BR/><BR/>(2) Michigan enjoys "BCS title-game play-in" status, meaning: As long as they keep winning (and OSU keeps winning), their game against each other will determine one half of the BCS title game.<BR/><BR/>That's no matter what happens in the SEC or Pac-10 or WVA-L'ville. Sure, if Florida runs the table and wins the SEC (and SEC title game), they'll have a spot, too. Well-earned, but absolutely no guarantee.<BR/><BR/>And, by the way, a MUCH rougher road than either Ohio St or Michigan have remaining. All they have to do is win out, then win the de facto Big Ten title game against each other next month.<BR/><BR/>So stop griping, Michigan fans: You essentially get the chance to play your way into the BCS title game using one single game, which is a lot more than any of the other contenders can say.<BR/><BR/>-- D.S.Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1160417629383561122006-10-09T14:13:00.000-04:002006-10-09T14:13:00.000-04:00Is it time for MNF yet?Is it time for MNF yet?Sheldizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01198083524704018695noreply@blogger.com