tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post116108965963743868..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: "Monday Night Miracle": Bears Win, Cards ChokeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161135414753791612006-10-17T21:36:00.000-04:002006-10-17T21:36:00.000-04:00@odiesucks,I get what you're saying. I just made ...@odiesucks,<BR/><BR/>I get what you're saying. I just made my comment based on what I saw in the faces and performances of Grossman and Leinart. Grossman did not look confident in himself. He never looked, to me, like he was confident that his team would win the game. He did not look like he had the confidence of his team. In my opinion, he looked like a beaten football player. And that was reflected in his play. <BR/><BR/>I'm not saying he didn't do all he could. I'm not saying he "indulged in fatalism" -- not sure where you got that one. I'm just saying, from my observations, he did not look like he believed he could bring his team back.<BR/><BR/>Leinart, on the other hand, looked supremely confident. Though he did not play as well in the second half, he did lead the potential winning drive and put his team in a position to hold on and win. I think that confidence will affect the Cardinals later on. Your points about the scripted plays are very valid, though. <BR/><BR/>My comment wasn't meant to be a categorical criticism of Grossman or Leinart. One game doesn't make a huge difference either way. But on this one day, this one time, I saw one confident quarterback and one very unconfident one.Shumshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427294708952512804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161130286149727332006-10-17T20:11:00.000-04:002006-10-17T20:11:00.000-04:00"This game was the most obvious example of the dif..."This game was the most obvious example of the difference that a winning mentality makes in sports. The Bears have it. The Cardinals do not, except for Leinart. When the chips were down, you could actually SEE the players on both teams who had the right attitude (Urlacher, Anderson, Leinart) and those who didn't (Edge, Grossman, even Rackers). I've never seen a game where that was so visibly definable. Having said that, Leinart's attitude will eventually spread to the rest of the Cards."<BR/><BR/><BR/>This post has the right idea but becomes nonsense in the details. Grossman played like garbage, but how can you say he didn't have a winning attitude, or seemed down on himself, or indulged in fatalism or anything like that? He had nothing going on and he CONTINUED to heave it deep downfield and make big play attempts. Now, he shouldn't have been allowed to do that, considering how bad a game he was having. It was Ron Turner's fault for that. But Grossman showed as much a winning mentality as anyone can have in that spot, in my opinion. I'm not sure what else you expected him to do considering how badly he was playing. He kept trying, he kept positive on the sidelines, and he was positive in post-game interviews. Hence, his teammates still believe in him, and he'll continue to have a great year. This was a bump in the road. <BR/><BR/>As for Leinart, I think his hype is ridiculous right now. This guy has scored 28 points on 4 TD passes in two first quarters, and NOTHING afterward, in two games. Those plays were SCRIPTED. Once he's been off the script, he's died. He's been decidedly mediocre. Not bad, but not a winning QB or anything close to one. Sort of a young Brad Johnson. The guy doesn't have some magic winning attitude. He's now 0-2 as an NFL starting QB, and both losses were BAD losses, in that his team should have won, but he disappeared in the last 3 quarters. Right now, give me Vince Young. He did the same thing Leinart did against the Bears, against the Colts, ON THE ROAD (Leinart and Co would have lost by 40 to the Bears in Chi), and then went out the next week and got a win. And this with much less talent around him.paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06508213626405464088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161114944332059012006-10-17T15:55:00.000-04:002006-10-17T15:55:00.000-04:00Boy this thread is full of hilarities! Not only ...Boy this thread is full of hilarities! Not only is everyone arguing about QBs, but spelling errors and fake Dans! <BR/>Love it!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11071405721004631626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161110612930955492006-10-17T14:43:00.000-04:002006-10-17T14:43:00.000-04:00So are we hearing any rumors leading up to the tra...So are we hearing any rumors leading up to the trade deadline? Moss?Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161110253767884402006-10-17T14:37:00.000-04:002006-10-17T14:37:00.000-04:00"By the way, anyone have any ideas about how I sho...<I>"By the way, anyone have any ideas about how I should deal with this, beyond the draconian measure of turning off the ability of readers to comment (which I REALLY don't want to do)?"</I>-Dan Shanoff<BR/><BR/>Dan, don't stop posting on the comment page, that's what keeps people on your blog, because they like the fact that you may respond to their comments.<BR/><BR/>Whoever is doing it is getting a kick out of the fact that you are getting so worked up about it. Just delete the guys posts and ignore him and eventually he will get bored and realize he's being a doochebag and stop.<BR/><BR/>Other than that I'm not familiar with blogger.com's tools to identify the blog administrator when posting on his/her own comment section. Maybe if it doesnt exist we could suggest the feature to them, so your posts show up in a different color or something.Kurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14615862536072857322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161109776212994692006-10-17T14:29:00.000-04:002006-10-17T14:29:00.000-04:00DanYou mentioned switching to a different blog sof...Dan<BR/><BR/>You mentioned switching to a different blog software, when I met you at the VL gig earlier this month. Short of that, does blogger have a way to block specific user IDs from posting? That way, you could trace the ID to the bogus posts, and simply make it ineligible to post.<BR/><BR/>Is there a way to allow "registered" comments? Either that, or charge us all $10 for the right to comment. Blech.Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161108830999630822006-10-17T14:13:00.000-04:002006-10-17T14:13:00.000-04:00Dan, keep posting. We'll just check the profile t...Dan, keep posting. We'll just check the profile to make sure it's you (that's what I do).<BR/><BR/>Hmm, I call it CNNSI. I didn't realize that was wrong. I beg forgiveness.Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161108647480763082006-10-17T14:10:00.000-04:002006-10-17T14:10:00.000-04:00By the way, anyone have any ideas about how I shou...By the way, anyone have any ideas about how I should deal with this, beyond the draconian measure of turning off the ability of readers to comment (which I REALLY don't want to do)?<BR/><BR/>Here's one idea: I'll simply stop commenting in this comment area. Then you'll know that ANY comments made by "Dan Shanoff" are by this guy(s) who is faking that he's me. Then, everyone can simply ignore what they are saying.<BR/><BR/>Thoughts?Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161108503963726912006-10-17T14:08:00.001-04:002006-10-17T14:08:00.001-04:00The funniest thing about this dude posting as me a...The funniest thing about this dude posting as me and continually referencing "CNNSI.com" is that (a) it's not even called CNNSI.com (it's SI.com), and (b) doesn't the guy know that I *worked* at CNNSI.com as a columnist and editor? <BR/><BR/>(I edited Peter King's MMQB column and Dr. Z's various rankings and mailbags, plus wrote my own stuff, most notably the "Dance at a Glance" columns about the 1999 NCAA Tournament, which was one of the best series of columns I ever wrote. Ah well...)Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161108495908666442006-10-17T14:08:00.000-04:002006-10-17T14:08:00.000-04:00Of the new QBs (within 4 years)..Big Ben gets to t...Of the new QBs (within 4 years)..Big Ben gets to the Hall first.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161108301948613452006-10-17T14:05:00.000-04:002006-10-17T14:05:00.000-04:00Again, someone has spent the last few posts posing...Again, someone has spent the last few posts posing as me. I'm not quite sure why they feel the need to do it, but where you see "Comment deleted," that's me taking out the offending post. Or, I've deleted it permanently, so you can't even see that I've deleted it. It's just gone.<BR/><BR/>Whoever you are: PLEASE stop posting as me. If you have something you want to say, do it under your own name. Thank you.<BR/><BR/>-- D.S.Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161107171619606302006-10-17T13:46:00.001-04:002006-10-17T13:46:00.001-04:00Three thoughts about Cards/Bears:1. Kornheiser bas...Three thoughts about Cards/Bears:<BR/><BR/>1. Kornheiser bashing Theismann every chance he got, pointing out his ridiculous inconsistencies, making fun of him... that's comic gold. I laughed every time they had a conversation, especially imagining Tirico sitting there awkwardly listening to his producer screaming in his ear "CUT THEM OFF! CHANGE THE SUBJECT! DO SOMETHING, IDIOT!!!" I dunno why you guys want Tony out -- as long as Theismann is there, that combo is worth five or six laughs a game.<BR/><BR/>2. Did Denny Green channel Marty Schottenheimer in the second half? Are we sure Marty wasn't calling in the plays from the press box or something? Can anyone confirm this? (Except for that post-game outburst. That was all Denny Green. Shades of the Vikings years. Good times.)<BR/><BR/>3. This game was the most obvious example of the difference that a winning mentality makes in sports. The Bears have it. The Cardinals do not, except for Leinart. When the chips were down, you could actually SEE the players on both teams who had the right attitude (Urlacher, Anderson, Leinart) and those who didn't (Edge, Grossman, even Rackers). I've never seen a game where that was so visibly definable. Having said that, Leinart's attitude will eventually spread to the rest of the Cards. They really are on their way. Just not going to happen overnight is all.Shumshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427294708952512804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161105641047802592006-10-17T13:20:00.000-04:002006-10-17T13:20:00.000-04:00Wow, no windsocks here, no sir. Within the first f...Wow, no windsocks here, no sir. <BR/><BR/>Within the first few posts we get a guy dismissing the Bears dominant 5 games in favor of their miracle 1, and declaring them "not for real", and more comparable to the '01 Bears than the '85 Bears. <BR/><BR/>Whereas, presumably, had the Bears simply LOST the Monday Night game by 14, then won the rest of their games convincingly, they'd still be comparable to the '85 team. Right? That makes a lot of sense. So because the Bears WIN the game, but do it in miraculous fashion, they're penalized and compared to a fluke team from '01. Never mind the dominance displayed in their other games, or that this was by far the worst they'll play all year. <BR/><BR/>Then we get someone putting Leinart among the top NFL QBs. Oh really? Leinart who is 0-2, and whose offense scored a measly 10 points last night on its own strength? Those are hall of fame numbers? The guy got 13 points off of SIX turnovers. That's not good. Did he look poised? Sure. Maybe he should learn to keep up the intensity of his first couple drives for a whole game, and he might actually WIN one. <BR/><BR/>But yea, I don't bury a dominant 6-0 team because they win a game they should have lost. And I don't canonize a QB who's 0-2 and disappears after the first quarter. <BR/><BR/>Also, bad as Rex was, his SIX turnovers, on the worst night of his life, cost the Bears 13 points. Leinart's one turnover, on the best night of his life, cost the Cardinals 7. <BR/><BR/>The Bears will keep winning, with or without the support of the online (and ESPN) windsocks.paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06508213626405464088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161105431591955372006-10-17T13:17:00.000-04:002006-10-17T13:17:00.000-04:00Hey Dan. Just an idea, since this seems to be the ...Hey Dan. Just an idea, since this seems to be the hottest comment topic right now..<BR/><BR/>You should make an introductory post, so that everyone who wants to introduce themselves to everyone else that posts here can do so.<BR/><BR/>Seeing Chris' most recent post makes me want to go "Hi I'm blah blah and this is where my allegiances lie."FreKy Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322127577984239799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161105282428657512006-10-17T13:14:00.000-04:002006-10-17T13:14:00.000-04:00Well, that last post was not by me. Please only po...Well, that last post was not by me. Please only post comments under your own preferred Commenter pseudonym... uh, not mine. You're already given the freedom to post virtually anonymously -- why rip me off?Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161103654652397922006-10-17T12:47:00.000-04:002006-10-17T12:47:00.000-04:00stay classy golden domer.stay classy golden domer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161103521845308172006-10-17T12:45:00.000-04:002006-10-17T12:45:00.000-04:00Dan's the newest member of the Department of Redun...Dan's the newest member of the Department of Redundancy Department.<BR/><BR/>Might wanna nix 2 of those 3 repeat posts.FreKy Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322127577984239799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161103494522166002006-10-17T12:44:00.000-04:002006-10-17T12:44:00.000-04:00Kurt- I agree with you. "Any Given Sunday" (or Mon...Kurt- I agree with you. "Any Given Sunday" (or Monday) has been proven over and over again.<BR/>So what if they got a little lucky? Those 2 fumbles were forced my friend, by a very talented defense. Should be fun to watch them and the G-Men go at it.<BR/><BR/><B>Jake C</B> said:<BR/><I>"as much as even I like him and think he can be a good/solid QB - I would NEVER trust my fantasies to him."</I><BR/><BR/>Shanoff, would you consider this Funniest. Unintentional. Joke. Ever.?Megahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407561625097289402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161103106857565472006-10-17T12:38:00.000-04:002006-10-17T12:38:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161102989245877602006-10-17T12:36:00.000-04:002006-10-17T12:36:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161102945538671902006-10-17T12:35:00.000-04:002006-10-17T12:35:00.000-04:00Hey Chris --Look, what did I just do? 'Fessed up t...Hey Chris --<BR/><BR/>Look, what did I just do? 'Fessed up to being completely wrong about Leinart. What more can I do? If I still wrote on ESPN.com, I'd write it there. I could set up a Leinart worship page, but I think that me acknowledging that I was wrong about him is pretty fair.<BR/><BR/>As to the complaint that I'm Florida-biased? Well, it IS football season and the team is/was in the BCS hunt (and, the last two weeks, involved in the top national game of the week), so it's hardly crazy that I discussed them.<BR/><BR/>And if you saw on Sunday morning, rather than doing some obsessive breakdown of the Florida-Auburn game, I actually (a) was quick to point out that the ref's call on Leak's fumble was the right call, and (b) spent the bulk of the wordcount writing about why college football's system still sort of rules.<BR/><BR/>(Yes, I had Florida listed at No. 7 in my latest rankings, but it was listed without further comment about them.)<BR/><BR/>I know I'm coming across as defensive about this, but I think that if you look at the proverbial "body of work" the last six weeks, you'll see that this is hardly some Florida fan site.<BR/><BR/>(Not that there's anything wrong with being a Florida fan site.)<BR/><BR/>The comments on this post alone should confirm that. We're headed toward the most commented-on post in the short history of this blog. I think that's pretty cool, especially because the comment quality is so high on this.Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161102321007401682006-10-17T12:25:00.000-04:002006-10-17T12:25:00.000-04:00"Hey KURT, guess what?BEARS WIN. BEARS WIN." - Dan...<I>"Hey KURT, guess what?<BR/><BR/>BEARS WIN. BEARS WIN."</I> - Dan Mega<BR/><BR/>Hey Dan, it doesn't bother me, I'm a Giants fan not a Cardinals fan. It's just a shame that the Bears got that lucky in a game they deserved to lose. Play that 4th quarter 10 more times, the Bears lose probably 9-10 of them. And no, there will be no asterik in the record books next to that Bears win, it just goes to show that if a shitty Cardinals team can beat them, so can anyone else (except the Raiders).Kurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14615862536072857322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161101309133542632006-10-17T12:08:00.000-04:002006-10-17T12:08:00.000-04:00for once I'm with maher.On the forums of the MMO c...for once I'm with maher.<BR/><BR/>On the forums of the MMO computer games, there's a specific phrase that is referenced when people cry about their lame woes (in this case Fantasy Leages).<BR/><BR/>Cry More Noob.FreKy Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322127577984239799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161100693075965162006-10-17T11:58:00.001-04:002006-10-17T11:58:00.001-04:00Hey Dan-Don't forget that the 6th man of that team...Hey Dan-<BR/><BR/>Don't forget that the 6th man of that team was also a Jew.<BR/><BR/>as far as greatt QBs go...<BR/><BR/>Id say this: after that game and the display Leinart put on I'll make a list of the QBs that are DEFFINITLY better than him<BR/><BR/><BR/>Brady, Peyton, McNabb, Palmer, Brees, Bulger, Vick (complete package), my Del-Homey, Hasselback<BR/><BR/>on the fence: leftwich and rivers (not enough info yet)<BR/><BR/>fell off the fence into a bottomless pit: favre<BR/><BR/>still, that's oly 9 QBs that are deffinitly better and that's VERY impressiveGuyInTheCornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281686811471557576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1161100174202408152006-10-17T11:49:00.001-04:002006-10-17T11:49:00.001-04:00I think when you have 19 fantasy football teams an...I think when you have 19 fantasy football teams and you are calling a Chicago Bears QB "Sexy Rexy" it might be time to look at what direction your life is headed in.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07353671003212539401noreply@blogger.com