tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post116334444012902177..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: CFB Hangover:Sorting Out the State of the BCS:OSU-Mich loser, SEC champ, ND/USC winner, RutgersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163449230170594202006-11-13T15:20:00.000-05:002006-11-13T15:20:00.000-05:00What's amazing to me is that the computers -- who ...What's amazing to me is that the computers -- who you would THINK would be penalizing a so-called "weak" conference like the Big East -- has Rutgers No. 2, while the human polls (who you would THINK would be "rewarding the heart" they can "see with their own eyes," which is the two constant criticisms of the computer polls) are penalizing them.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that the human polls should put Rutgers No. 2 (at least ,not until after next Saturday, when either OSU or Mich has 1 loss). If Rutgers was, appropriately, ranked No. 3 or No. 4, they would be ranked ahead of USC and Florida in the BCS formula.<BR/><BR/>Let's be clear: It's the human pollsters who are wrecking -- and hardly "correcting," as they would probably contend -- the likelihood of the last two BCS unbeatens meeting in the BCS title game.<BR/><BR/>(Of course, Rutgers still has to win at West Virginia on Dec. 2. And I'm not sure they can do that. But if they do? Wow: How can you deny them?)Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163446988009779462006-11-13T14:43:00.000-05:002006-11-13T14:43:00.000-05:00Let's assume Rutgers wins out...If the Big East is...Let's assume Rutgers wins out...<BR/><BR/>If the Big East is a BCS (i.e. MAJOR) Conference, then shouldn't an UNDEFEATED team from a MAJOR conference be in the title game?<BR/><BR/>If not, then why is the Big East a BCS Conference?JunkCulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083650791188027759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163438175228833822006-11-13T12:16:00.000-05:002006-11-13T12:16:00.000-05:00No a team doesn't have to accept a bowl bid, Notre...No a team doesn't have to accept a bowl bid, Notre Dame has sat at home before when they thought the bowl offered them was beneath them. But if it was for the national championship and a team was too chicken to play, there is no f-ing way the voters would stand for that.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07353671003212539401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163433364001319642006-11-13T10:56:00.000-05:002006-11-13T10:56:00.000-05:00Hisjazziness - perfect analysis (couldn't have sai...Hisjazziness - perfect analysis (couldn't have said it better myself)<BR/><BR/>..and for those who say "what about Wisconsin?" ...they haven't beaten a ranked team...that's how weak the Big 10 is!!slaskarishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01397113886860334235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163432480081991822006-11-13T10:41:00.000-05:002006-11-13T10:41:00.000-05:00jhawk -Re: OU-UO screwupYou may have just made you...jhawk -<BR/><BR/>Re: OU-UO screwup<BR/>You may have just made your first good point ever. That's very interesting, and I imagine it might drive me crazy in December if I were a Florida fan. <BR/>But then, this past month has been very good at exposing teams and penalizing them for not actually being good, so I still have faith in Cal beating USC, like I said months ago; after that happens, maybe ND's boost from beating USC wouldn't be enough to push them above an SEC Champion Florida.<BR/>So, say it with your fellow Gators - Go Bears!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Re: "what have you done for me lately?"<BR/>Do you mean, in the minds of the voters? Or do you mean, in a fair and rational world?<BR/><BR/>Because that is fair and rational in no way. I take Week 1, maybe Week 2 games with a grain of salt (sorry, SEC fans). Week 3, after Notre Dame had already even played a real game against GT, there's nothing to say. You should have your lineup in order, you should have no jitters or hiccups from inexperience; I believe that a Michigan team in midseason form crushed an ND team in similar form, and no performance since then can cover that up for ND.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I know I'm essentially the only one in the universe who would even suggest this, but: if Michigan beats Ohio State, ND and OSU would have about the same type of loss, so ND can go ahead and jump OSU. Not that it would be any fun, but at least it makes sense.john (east lansing, mi)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03872457640564913468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163428043824396022006-11-13T09:27:00.000-05:002006-11-13T09:27:00.000-05:00troy (g,fl)-I didn't say Rutgers couldn't "give th...troy (g,fl)-<BR/><BR/>I didn't say Rutgers couldn't "give them a game" i said they wouldn't win<BR/><BR/>that's like the saying in basketball.... "they could play with them" and the response being "yeah, they could play on the same court at the same time, if that's what you mean"GuyInTheCornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281686811471557576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163426808985357002006-11-13T09:06:00.000-05:002006-11-13T09:06:00.000-05:00I'ld like to appologize to everyone, I said that t...I'ld like to appologize to everyone, I said that the OU-Oregon fiasco penalized Texas... what I forgot to mention is that it was a PAC-10 Conspiracy to aid USC. There's no way that USC is #3 in the BCS ahead of Florida if Oregon has that loss. Why is this not being talked about more?!?!? That screw up could affect the National Championship game!<BR/><BR/>Right now I think the title is between the OSU-Mich winner and the USC-Notre Dame winner. ND (win) can jump Michigan (loss)because that was an early season loss. "What have you done for me lately?"<BR/><BR/>If I were Michigan or Ohio State, I'd pray to the football gods that Florida wins up beause that offense is just horrible.jhawkjjmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297634924511036895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163424866144705512006-11-13T08:34:00.000-05:002006-11-13T08:34:00.000-05:00OK, Here is a senario, Florida, USC, Rutgers both ...OK, Here is a senario, Florida, USC, Rutgers both lose one more game, ND wins out and Michigan Loses to Ohio State.<BR/><BR/>Who gets into the title game? I say Michigan. How can you put ND in over Michigan when Michigan only lose will be to #1 Ohio State and Michigan beat ND by 2+ TD's at NDCMFosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291296862033162143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163417645056382222006-11-13T06:34:00.000-05:002006-11-13T06:34:00.000-05:00guyinthecorner,Maybe I'm alone, but I think, on a ...guyinthecorner,<BR/><BR/>Maybe I'm alone, but I think, on a neutral field, Rutgers could definitely give a game to any of the teams on your list.TJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923521765537437204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163396059404376782006-11-13T00:34:00.000-05:002006-11-13T00:34:00.000-05:00What does it show if Rutgers beats West Virginia? ...What does it show if Rutgers beats West Virginia? Another loss would make West Virginia a mediocre team playing an easy schedule and losing its only 2 legit games.Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10912934417019865803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163395768611395692006-11-13T00:29:00.000-05:002006-11-13T00:29:00.000-05:00Also, did anyone else notice that everyone kind of...Also, did anyone else notice that everyone kind of collectively forgot that this happens every year? Last week, we were all complaining about how tough it was going to be to decide the second championship game team. We still kind of are. I'm not saying it'll be a cakewalk like some years (aside: what the hell is a cakewalk anyway?), but by the end of the season I bet there will be no more than three teams that clearly deserve the two spots.<BR/><BR/>Like every year.<BR/><BR/>Let's just let the games unfold before we do any posturing *ahem*Auburn*ahem*...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163395434188092522006-11-13T00:23:00.000-05:002006-11-13T00:23:00.000-05:00Before I looked, I was ready to hate your poll, wh...Before I looked, I was ready to <I>hate</I> your poll, what with the comments you've been making the last two weeks. But, I've gotta say, it's very...rational. In particular, Arkansas has got to be the number three team right now. Definitely looking better than Florida right now. And Rutgers? Give them a top five spot now; they'll earn or lose it when they play West Virginia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163391710249905132006-11-12T23:21:00.000-05:002006-11-12T23:21:00.000-05:001) Yes, Boise State's schedule is terrible, and ye...1) Yes, Boise State's schedule is terrible, and yes, Boise State doesn't deserve to be the national championship game, but they did absolutely destroy Oregon State. You know, that team that beat USC. Oh, and San Jose State is 6-3 this year, so that three-point win wasn't that bad.<BR/><BR/>2) I still can't believe people would put USC or Norte Dame in the championship game over Rutgers. Norte Dame doesn't even belong in the top ten. They've played a joke schedule and got completely outclassed at home by the only good team they've played. Heck, they haven't beaten a really good team in the Charlie Weis era. USC lost to Oregon State. They don't deserve to be ahead of Rutgers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163391212627364242006-11-12T23:13:00.000-05:002006-11-12T23:13:00.000-05:00Breakdown of mistakes in ALL the POLLSCall me craz...<B>Breakdown of mistakes in ALL the POLLS</B><BR/><BR/>Call me crazy....<BR/><BR/>But in my mind a ranking says "I think that this team that is ranked X is the Xth best team in the country" or in better terms "I think that the team with the higher ranking would beat the team with the lower ranking if they were to play on a neutral field"<BR/><BR/>These are a couple things i find strange:<BR/><BR/>AP and HARRIS and USA TODAY:<BR/>1. Rutgers could beat LSU, Wisconsin, Auburn, and Cal<BR/>2. Louisville could beat Wisconsin, Auburn, and Cal<BR/>3. Wake Forest could beat Auburn and Cal<BR/><BR/>now here we go.....<BR/><B>B</B>ogus <B>C</B>rap <B>Standings</B><BR/>I'm gonna go poll by poll...<BR/>A&H:<BR/>Michigan over Ohio St.<BR/>Rutgers over <I>THOSE GUYS</I><BR/>Louisville over Arkansas, Wisconsin, Cal, Auburn, LSU<BR/>RB:<BR/>Rutgers over <I>THOSE GUYS</I><BR/>CM:<BR/>Michigan and Rutgers over Ohio St.<BR/>Rutgers over <I>THOSE GUYS</I><BR/>Louisville over Arkansas, Wisconsin, Cal, Auburn, LSU<BR/>Boise St. over Cal, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU <BR/>Cal over Arkansas<BR/>KM:<BR/>Michigan, Rutgers, USC, Notre Dame, Florida over Ohio St.<BR/>Rutgers over <I>THOSE GUYS</I><BR/>Louisville over Wisconsin, Cal, Auburn, LSU<BR/>Boise St. over Auburn, LSU<BR/>JS:<BR/>Michigan and Rutgers over Ohio St.<BR/>Rutgers over <I>THOSE GUYS</I><BR/>Louisville over Florida, Arkansas, Cal, Auburn, LSU<BR/>PW:<BR/>Michigan and Rutgers over Ohio St.<BR/>Rutgers over <I>THOSE GUYS</I><BR/>Louisville over USC, Wisconsin, Florida, Arkansas, Cal, LSU<BR/><BR/><I>THOSE GUYS</I> are the pack of teams we know are good: Ohio St., Michigan, USC, Florida, Notre Dame, Arkansas, WisconsinGuyInTheCornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281686811471557576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163390458461604172006-11-12T23:00:00.000-05:002006-11-12T23:00:00.000-05:00Dan,I'm not going to take the time to read all the...Dan,<BR/>I'm not going to take the time to read all the 62 comments before I post this, so my apologies if someone else has already said this. <BR/><BR/>How is OSU's victory over Texas less impressive. Sure, they lost a game they should have won last night, but when you factor in the injury to McCoy last night then the Texas team that lost last night is a completely different one then the one that lost to the Buckeyes. As McCoy matured throughout the season, the Texas team from prior to McCoy's injury is a different one that lost to the Buckeyes and would probably win in a rematch.Lewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232444836690628554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163388390815632422006-11-12T22:26:00.000-05:002006-11-12T22:26:00.000-05:00Just to note, I don't think Arkansas deserves it e...Just to note, I don't think Arkansas deserves it either because of their loss to USC. <BR/><BR/>You're seeing the same type of "ND" talk with Arkansas right now because they were blown out at home. <BR/><BR/>In this system you can lose. If you're going to do it, do it close, and on the road. If you lose at home make sure it's really close. If you get blown out you're in serious shit.<BR/><BR/>Sorry ND and Arkansas, it's very hard to let you in the title game unless a lot of upsets happen.<BR/><BR/>Joe (Dayton)Trey (formerly TF)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16016679366233865869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163388202174309042006-11-12T22:23:00.000-05:002006-11-12T22:23:00.000-05:003 Reasons:1) They needed the other teams to melt d...3 Reasons:<BR/><BR/>1) They needed the other teams to melt down to come back.<BR/><BR/>2) They were beat like all hell at home to Michigan.<BR/><BR/>3) Who has ND beaten this year? schizophrenic Georgia Tech and a very average Penn State?<BR/><BR/>Compare that to the other 1 loss teams ranked wins:<BR/>USC (Arkansas and Nebraska)<BR/>Florida: (LSU and Tennesee)<BR/>Arkansas: (Auburn and Tennessee)<BR/><BR/>I am not a ND hater, but I think if Michigan loses to Ohio State and it's between Michigan and Ohio State for the other spot in Glendale, ND's going to have to do a lot of convincing. They really haven't done that yet.<BR/><BR/>Beat the skit out of USC and you might be sitting a lil better.<BR/><BR/>Joe (Dayton)Trey (formerly TF)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16016679366233865869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163387360778710432006-11-12T22:09:00.000-05:002006-11-12T22:09:00.000-05:00Arkansas over SC, Dan? They gave up 50 to the Tro...Arkansas over SC, Dan? They gave up 50 to the Trojans <I>at home</I>!! Or do the early games mean nothing?Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01764597535956025803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163385947132395542006-11-12T21:45:00.000-05:002006-11-12T21:45:00.000-05:00Imagine this:Florida, USC, Rutgers and Arkansas lo...Imagine this:<BR/><BR/>Florida, USC, Rutgers and Arkansas lose. <BR/><BR/>ND wins out.<BR/><BR/>Michigan loses by 10+ to Ohio State. <BR/><BR/>Do we get ND/Ohio State, and the state of Michigan secede from the Union. <BR/><BR/>Oh man, Imagine that shot to the BCS. It would be worse than me taking that 1st punch from Mike Tyson.<BR/><BR/>Signed,<BR/><BR/>Little Mac <BR/><BR/>Joe(Dayton)Trey (formerly TF)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16016679366233865869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163383212003968072006-11-12T21:00:00.000-05:002006-11-12T21:00:00.000-05:00@steve,I wasn't talking about the coaches', I was ...@steve,<BR/><BR/>I wasn't talking about the coaches', I was talking about the Harris and giving them credit. Your post was strictly about the coaches'.Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163382551542703652006-11-12T20:49:00.000-05:002006-11-12T20:49:00.000-05:00chrth: um yes a few hours agoSteve said... The coa...chrth: um yes a few hours ago<BR/><BR/>Steve said... <BR/>The coaches poll is so stupid it defies belief. Rutgers beats Louisville who beats West Virginia so they put West Virginia highest! Unbelievable. They need to blow the coaches poll up more than the BCS system.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07353671003212539401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163382358014553422006-11-12T20:45:00.000-05:002006-11-12T20:45:00.000-05:00isn't it funny that the bcs has the top 10 more ri...isn't it funny that the bcs has the top 10 more right than either of the human polls?<BR/><BR/>but we all still hate it, myself included.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163382101635183372006-11-12T20:41:00.000-05:002006-11-12T20:41:00.000-05:00wow the computers.wow the computers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163381009886399812006-11-12T20:23:00.000-05:002006-11-12T20:23:00.000-05:00Anyone else notice that the Harris Poll was the on...Anyone else notice that the Harris Poll was the only poll smart enough to move Rutgers over West Virginia?Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163380944836303082006-11-12T20:22:00.000-05:002006-11-12T20:22:00.000-05:00I knew the PCs would love Rutgers.Arkansas should ...I knew the PCs would love Rutgers.<BR/><BR/>Arkansas should be able to move past them though since they'll have to play LSU and Florida, while Rutgers only has West Virginia.<BR/><BR/>USC probably has the toughest remaining schedule, ao they'll earn that BCS bid if they win out.<BR/><BR/>Boise State is now in the magical 12th position.Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.com