tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post116377197932856794..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Friday 11/17 A.M. Quickie:One Game To Rule Them AllUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163793984876237732006-11-17T15:06:00.000-05:002006-11-17T15:06:00.000-05:00USC-Texas game of the century? Maybe, but don't f...USC-Texas game of the century? Maybe, but don't forget the epic OSU-Miami final that was all of four years ago...Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01764597535956025803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163784059251558872006-11-17T12:20:00.000-05:002006-11-17T12:20:00.000-05:00Let them go to a different BCS bowl and beat a USC...<I>Let them go to a different BCS bowl and beat a USC, Michigan/OSU loser, Florida type school and win... then we'll see about next year.</I><BR/><BR/>Ummm... This happened last year. You know, when WVU proved that their offense can score on any defense. And UGA had a <I>fast</I> defense last year. <BR/><BR/>Every single argument people use to disparage the Big East could be applied to other so-called major conferences, only because it's called the Big East, and because it doesn't have Miami anymore, and because Rutgers is its best team, there's some psychological block keeping people from acknowledging that these are good teams, every bit as worthy as Florida, ND, USC or anyone else of playing in the BCS Championship.TJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923521765537437204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163780665434060432006-11-17T11:24:00.000-05:002006-11-17T11:24:00.000-05:00I'm getting a vibe that you usually see in basketb...I'm getting a vibe that you usually see in basketball....St. Joe's can't be a #1 seed, they haven't played anyone! Or Memphis....<BR/><BR/>And then St. Joe's proved they were at least worthy of the seed, winning 3 games before losing a nailbiter to #2 OSU.<BR/><BR/>The problem is that football's only got a one game playoff, rather than 64-game, so the teams that get left out are really OUT....not simply playing from a lower seed. Teams that end up the #3 seed in their region in March still get to disprove the merit of the ranking. Football teams don't.Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163780307503184652006-11-17T11:18:00.000-05:002006-11-17T11:18:00.000-05:00Hey, we do all have to wonder this. Will the East...Hey, we do all have to wonder this. Will the East Coast bias push Rutgers higher? After all, NYC doesn't have a college football team (Army?) worth singing about....Rutgers is about as close as there is. College football certainly doesn't have the same Boston-NY-Philly-DC domination that the pro sports do. This could be a chance for the NY media to play up a team from its area.Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163780029345318402006-11-17T11:13:00.003-05:002006-11-17T11:13:00.003-05:00It's one thing to dismiss WV-Ga last year as not b...It's one thing to dismiss WV-Ga last year as not being the big bowl....but sheesh, it was IN Georgia.Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163780026529643852006-11-17T11:13:00.002-05:002006-11-17T11:13:00.002-05:00big.aaron:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story...big.aaron:<BR/><BR/>http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1883127<BR/><BR/>Sorry, but I guess I'm not the deuche after all, they cheated, the titles are tainted.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07353671003212539401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163779864717285812006-11-17T11:11:00.000-05:002006-11-17T11:11:00.000-05:00The argument, ndyanks, is twofold....One, ND got m...The argument, ndyanks, is twofold....<BR/><BR/>One, ND got manhandled....So it seemed less fluky. It's believable in my mind that if ND-Mich played 10 times, Mich wins at least 7 out of 10, because the one they did win in real life looked convincing. USC's loss was to a much worse team, and only by 2 points. That seems more of a "any given Saturday" argument, not indicative of the relative strength between USC and Oregon St.<BR/><BR/>My point being...both ND and USC have lost a game. USC's was fluky. ND's looked more damning to their own argument. ND says "yeah, we only lost once, and it was to really good Michigan. you guys lost to a crappy team." USC's argument is "you guys showed you're OBVIOUSLY worse than Michigan....we just had a fluke upset."<BR/><BR/>If ND had beaten Michigan, and their only loss was a tight one to Michigan State instead....then I'd say THAT was an equivalent loss to USC's....a team they play every year, not as good, but pulled off an upset.<BR/><BR/>I like the argument for USC at this point over the argument for Notre Dame. It's not going to matter once they play in a couple of weekends....But until then, USC's argument makes more sense to me.Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163779507610116902006-11-17T11:05:00.000-05:002006-11-17T11:05:00.000-05:00pootietang, I completely agree that there needs to...pootietang, I completely agree that there needs to be either an 8 or a 16 team playoff at the end of the regular season. Where I disagree is if Rutgers wins out the will have 2 wins against top 10 teams and only the winner of Ohio/Michigan and the winner of USC/ND could say that.<BR/><BR/>IF RUTGERS IS UNBEATEN THEY SHOULD MAKE THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.CMFosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291296862033162143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163778889617685322006-11-17T10:54:00.000-05:002006-11-17T10:54:00.000-05:00cmfost:i will gladly tell you why the big east is ...cmfost:<BR/><BR/>i will gladly tell you why the big east is thought of as a poor conference. THEY DON'T PLAY ANYBODY - and that includes each other. the reason they have those 3 teams in the bcs is because of their records...obtained by beating substandard non-conference opponents and each other. just because idiot pollsters fall for the shiny records does not make them good teams. if someone says the ocean is orange, it doesn't make it so. now i don't mean to say that they are shitty...but they just don't compare to the major conference schools out there. i know you apologists will bring up what wvu did to uga in the sugar bowl last year, but lets face it: the only bowl game with real meaning was usc-tx. that is why the bowl system is outdated and a playoff is needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163778557599796952006-11-17T10:49:00.000-05:002006-11-17T10:49:00.000-05:00MSU MSU MSU! It was great to see the guys in green...MSU MSU MSU! It was great to see the guys in green here in NYC last night. Everyone (including you Dan) didn't have them on the radar BUT NEVER discount the Izzone! That guy can coach.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759059813818382920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163777612817265122006-11-17T10:33:00.000-05:002006-11-17T10:33:00.000-05:00"Creepiest story of the day - man who was supposed..."Creepiest story of the day - man who was supposed to be on the plane with Lidle when it crashed, died in a plane crash yesterday...creepy."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ever see the 3 Final Destination movies???<BR/><BR/><BR/>Someone tell me why the Big East is thought of as a poor conference. Do they not currently have 3 teams in the top 10 of the BCS Standings.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Looking at the major conferences here is what each has for teams in the BCS Standings<BR/><BR/>SEC - 5 - Ranks 4,7,11,14,22<BR/>ACC - 5 - 16,18,19,20,21<BR/>Big 10 - 3 - 1,2,9<BR/>Big East - 3 - 6,8,10<BR/>Pac 10 - 3 -3,15,24<BR/>Big 12 - 3 -13,17,23<BR/>Other - 3 - 5,12,25<BR/><BR/>So again tell me why the big east is considered so poorly.CMFosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291296862033162143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163777556361148792006-11-17T10:32:00.000-05:002006-11-17T10:32:00.000-05:00After seeing the entire list, I would not put TD i...After seeing the entire list, I would not put TD in this year. I still think he should get strong consideration and will get in eventually. But I would put these guys ahead of him:<BR/><BR/>Dawson<BR/>Dent<BR/>Haley<BR/>Irwin<BR/>McDaniel<BR/>Andre Reed<BR/>D. Thomas<BR/>T. Thomas<BR/><BR/>(Yes, I purposely left Monk off the list. Sorry Redskin fans)Mikepcflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08980600874603719777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163777496898758952006-11-17T10:31:00.000-05:002006-11-17T10:31:00.000-05:00Chaddogg,Let's wait until they play the game. The...Chaddogg,<BR/><BR/>Let's wait until they play the game. There's no way OSU-UM is the Game of the Century if one of the teams wins by 30.Christian Thomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16552580025935909875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163777015470021762006-11-17T10:23:00.000-05:002006-11-17T10:23:00.000-05:00I gotta disagree with you, Dan, on the game of the...I gotta disagree with you, Dan, on the game of the century (so far) sentiments. There is NO doubt in my mind that OSU-Michigan this week trumps USC-Texas last year in the Rose Bowl.<BR/><BR/>Sure, USC-Texas involved 3-4 Heisman candidates/2 winners (VYoung, Bush, Leinart, LenDale White), and was the last game of the season, and involved 2 undefeated teams ranked 1-2.<BR/><BR/>But this is Michigan-Ohio State. 100 years of tradition. The game of the year in the Big Ten year in, year out (and I say that as a Northwestern fan and alum). Every other team in the Big Ten measures themselves against these teams (and more often than not come up short). Bo vs. Woody. Two of the best venues in college football. Fan bases that flat out hate each other (demonstrated perhaps best by the perhaps fictional story of Woody's car running out of gas one time in Michigan and him walking all the way to Ohio to fill it up).<BR/><BR/>But more than that, it's a 1-2 matchup on the last day of the regular season that didn't need voters, or computers, or polls to happen. The two best teams in the country (without a doubt), playing one game for pretty much an undisputed national championship (I think both will kill their bowl opponents, unless we get the rematch).<BR/><BR/>USC-Texas was nice, but this is the game of the Century (so far).Chaddogghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05381349910580062539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163776970346469642006-11-17T10:22:00.000-05:002006-11-17T10:22:00.000-05:00Dan you are missing a bunch of potential HOF's tha...Dan you are missing a bunch of potential HOF's that are on the semifinalist list.<BR/><BR/>What about:<BR/>Richard Dent<BR/>Micheal irvin<BR/>Art Monk<BR/>Paul Tagilibue<BR/>Derrick Thomas<BR/>Thurman Thomas <BR/>Andre Tippett<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Here is the full lit of semi finalists:<BR/>http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/story.jsp?story_id=2246<BR/><BR/>Terrell Davis - RB - 1995-2001 Denver Broncos<BR/>Dermontti Dawson - C - 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers<BR/>Fred Dean - DE - 1975-1981 San Diego Chargers, 1981-1985 San Francisco 49ers<BR/>Richard Dent - DE - 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles<BR/>Randy Gradishar - LB - 1974-1983 Denver Broncos<BR/>Kevin Greene - LB/DE - 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-1995 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-1999 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers<BR/>Russ Grimm - G - 1981-1991 Washington Redskins<BR/>Ray Guy - P - 1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders<BR/>Charles Haley - DE/LB - 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-1996 Dallas Cowboys<BR/>Lester Hayes - CB - 1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders<BR/>Michael Irvin - WR - 1988-1999 Dallas Cowboys<BR/>Bob Kuechenberg - G - 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins<BR/>Bruce Matthews - G/T/C - 1983-2001 Houston Oilers/Tennessee Oilers/Titans<BR/>Randall McDaniel - G - 1988-1999 Minnesota Vikings, 2000-2001 Tampa Bay Buccaneers<BR/>Art Modell - Owner - 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2003 Baltimore Ravens<BR/>Art Monk - WR - 1980-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 New York Jets, 1995 Philadelphia Eagles<BR/>Andre Reed - WR -1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins<BR/>Ken Stabler - QB - 1970-1979 Oakland Raiders, 1980-1981 Houston Oilers, 1982-1984 New Orleans Saints<BR/>Paul Tagliabue - Commissioner - 1989-2006 National Football League<BR/>Derrick Thomas - LB - 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs<BR/>Thurman Thomas - RB - 1988-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Miami Dolphins<BR/>Andre Tippett - LB - 1982-1993 New England Patriots, injured 1989<BR/>Roger Wehrli - CB - 1969-1982 St. Louis Cardinals<BR/>George Young - GM/Administrator - 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-1978 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League<BR/>Gary Zimmerman - T - 1986-1992 Minnesota Vikings, 1993-1997 Denver BroncosCMFosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291296862033162143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163776792773603022006-11-17T10:19:00.000-05:002006-11-17T10:19:00.000-05:00The added bonus of the chocolate milk mustache is ...The added bonus of the chocolate milk mustache is that it looks like a dirty sanchez, right Screech?<BR/><BR/>As far as Terrell Davis and his 2 Super Bowls, you also have to take into consideration that the Broncos cheated the cap those 2 years and thus had an unfair competitive advantage. The NFL should have made them forfeit them in my opinion but in any case they are at least tainted titles. Terrell Davis is not a hall of famer.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07353671003212539401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163776188840075932006-11-17T10:09:00.000-05:002006-11-17T10:09:00.000-05:00Meh. Spinal Tap is amazing, obviously, and Best i...Meh. Spinal Tap is amazing, obviously, and Best in Show was fun, but A mighty Wind was... amusing at best, and For Your Consideration has rental written all over it.<BR/><BR/>The Bond, on the other hand--is great. And packs an emotional punch that... well, you're not used to in a Bond movie.TJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923521765537437204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163775604017123542006-11-17T10:00:00.000-05:002006-11-17T10:00:00.000-05:00As for PFHOF...Roger Wehrli. Best CB in the 1970'...As for PFHOF...<BR/><BR/>Roger Wehrli. Best CB in the 1970's.<BR/><BR/>Should already be in the Hall, but voters won't get past the fact he played for St. Louis.TBenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10337905315011989614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163775406836020162006-11-17T09:56:00.001-05:002006-11-17T09:56:00.001-05:00Let me throw this out there. If Tom Brady suffere...Let me throw this out there. If Tom Brady suffered a career-ending injury on Sunday, should he be a Hall of Famer? If you think yes, than TD should get in. They both would have about the same length of dominance, plus leading their teams to multiple Super Bowl wins. Just a point of discussion. <BR/><BR/>And personally, I think Bo was the most amazing athlete I've ever seen. If he had led Oakland to 2 Super Bowls, I would have to give him consideration.Mikepcflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08980600874603719777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163775403186548792006-11-17T09:56:00.000-05:002006-11-17T09:56:00.000-05:00Nobody plays D in the Big East? So?Signed,The Pac...Nobody plays D in the Big East? So?<BR/><BR/>Signed,<BR/>The Pac-10.TBenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10337905315011989614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163775329709914582006-11-17T09:55:00.000-05:002006-11-17T09:55:00.000-05:00i admit to channeling fowler on my previous post. ...i admit to channeling fowler on my previous post. "mr. no playoff" herbstreit was very silent in the moments after. high comedyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163775070264281442006-11-17T09:51:00.000-05:002006-11-17T09:51:00.000-05:00Anybody who actually watched WVU/PITT last night (...Anybody who actually watched WVU/PITT last night (especially the first half)would have to agree that the Big East is a total joke. <I>Nobody</I> plays a lick of defense. It's comical.<BR/><BR/>With that said - since Peterson got injured for the year, I think Slaton might be the best player in the entire country. Good luck, Rutgers ...<BR/><BR/>Also, did anybody else (Dan?) catch Fowler's mini-rant about how the regular season is <B>NOT</B> a playoff, and that he wishes people would stop calling it that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163774787340662292006-11-17T09:46:00.000-05:002006-11-17T09:46:00.000-05:00"Of course, if Rutgers can win in Morgantown to ca..."Of course, if Rutgers can win in Morgantown to cap an unbeaten regular season, they'll have earned their spot in the BCS title game"<BR/><BR/>please stop with this nonsense that the big(l)east is a major conference, and that an undefeated winner of said conference somehow "deserves" a shot at the national championship game. just because someone(ncaa) says it is so(bcs conference), doesn't make it so. bully for rutgers if they do beat wvu, but there are at least 10 better teams out there. just another example of why we need a playoff. and if i hear anyone else say that the next few weeks are somehow some "defacto playoff" i think i will hurl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163774757852878352006-11-17T09:45:00.001-05:002006-11-17T09:45:00.001-05:00Dan, Will you cover the pro video gamers league, u...Dan, <BR/><BR/>Will you cover the pro video gamers league, up until they start playing NHL 07?<BR/><BR/>Peyton Manning's got a gun for an arm, but has he ever shot his own eye out?<BR/><BR/>Do we think that a fluke loss (USC) shouldn't count against them as much as a manhandle loss (ND)? Because the argument against ND is that a really good team picked them apart. The argument against USC is that it was just one of those days, and wouldn't happen any of the other 9 times out of 10. ND wouldn't be "expected" to win 9/10 against Michigan.<BR/><BR/>Or is that just part of the subjectiveness involved with ranking the teams?Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163774732558519252006-11-17T09:45:00.000-05:002006-11-17T09:45:00.000-05:00Injuries should not be a reason to put someone in ...Injuries should not be a reason to put someone in the Hall. Pretty sure TD couldn't have held Bo Jackson's jock strap...and Bo doesn't know the Hall.<BR/><BR/>It's ok for there to exist very good players that aren't good enough for the Hall. <BR/><BR/>Gradishar and Irvin should get in. (imo)rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.com