tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post116498160799288614..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: CFB Weekend Preview: Last One!Dare I Defend the CFB System? (Eh...Sort Of.)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165072353621954142006-12-02T10:12:00.000-05:002006-12-02T10:12:00.000-05:00Steve, really, keep it up and maybe you'll inspire...Steve, really, keep it up and maybe you'll inspire us to re-instate the draft. At least for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165024390547058812006-12-01T20:53:00.000-05:002006-12-01T20:53:00.000-05:00Some people (me) don't give a shit about the armed...Some people (me) don't give a shit about the armed forces: either the soldiers or their football teams. Army and Navy are both irrelevant and have been for 40 years. The Army-Navy game is just as irrelevant. I have never once in my 30 year lifetime said boy I can't wait to watch Army-Navy. Nor have I watched more than 5 minutes of this 'rivalry' in my lifetime.<BR/><BR/>This is definitely the most annoying thing about 9-11, the media force feeding us patriotism at every turn. Give it a fucking rest already, the whole world doesn't revolve around the U.S. and its armed forces.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07353671003212539401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165015192242012802006-12-01T18:19:00.000-05:002006-12-01T18:19:00.000-05:00Yes Biff. Also the playoffs could occur during th...Yes Biff. Also the playoffs could occur during the later parts of December like the Bowls and not effect school at all as they are out for winter break.<BR/><BR/>And the NCAA can even keep the money generating bowls by having them sponsor the game of each round the premier bowls (Orange, Fiesta, Rose, Sugar) can sponsor the later rounds and alternate the championship game every 4 years.<BR/><BR/>PS its not I-A and I-AA anymore its now FBS and FCS (Football Bowl Subdivision and Football Championship Subdivision) these names went into effect the day following the former I-AA regular season.Travishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01676482582616039215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165015000848908882006-12-01T18:16:00.001-05:002006-12-01T18:16:00.001-05:00Overrated conference? As an SEC fan I'll admit, we...Overrated conference? As an SEC fan I'll admit, we do get the benefit in most years. However, how the HECK is the SEC overrated this year?<BR/><BR/>We're 9-6 against the BCS, while the Big 10 is 7-6. <BR/><BR/>We're 40-7 out of conference, while the Big 10 is 33-11.<BR/><BR/>We've got 4 teams with 10 wins.<BR/><BR/>Big 10 has 3.<BR/><BR/>We've got 9 bowl eligible teams<BR/><BR/>The Big 10 has 7.<BR/><BR/>We've got 8 teams with WINNING records.<BR/><BR/>The Big 10 has 5.<BR/><BR/>Our worst bowl eligble team, ranked 9th in conference (Alabama) beat Hawaii<BR/><BR/>The 5th ranked team in Big 10 (Purdue) lost to Hawaii.<BR/><BR/>We have 0 losses to D-IAA<BR/><BR/>The Big 10 has 2.<BR/><BR/><B>Now where exactly is the SEC overrated this year?</B><BR/><BR/>Joe (Dayton)Trey (formerly TF)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16016679366233865869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165014984939408962006-12-01T18:16:00.000-05:002006-12-01T18:16:00.000-05:00The truth is, you have to feel for the players/kid...The truth is, you have to feel for the players/kids at a school like Boise State. You'll never get a George Mason in college football because of the system. Over the last few years, Utah, Auburn and now Boise State, have all finished undefeated yet don't get any kind of recognition that perhaps they are a "special" team. It's ridiculous, and why I hate the bullshit championship series.BLUEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01547964589052140083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165011684017740402006-12-01T17:21:00.000-05:002006-12-01T17:21:00.000-05:00To offer up some sure-to-be-ignored closure on the...To offer up some sure-to-be-ignored closure on the idea of matching Michigan and Ohio St again:<BR/><BR/>yes, I know Michigan could win that game. I'll even say it's a good matchup. I think you've already mentioned that championship Florida team in another post. I'm aware of that.<BR/><BR/>That's part of my point, too. Michigan doesn't deserve a second chance, Ohio St. deserves another team, and other conferences deserve their shot at a championship. I'm sorry it upsets Michigan fans to think that some other team could lose a game that they might win.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if Florida will win (this weekend or in the future), and I'm certainly no booster (I'd cheer for Syracuse if they had a Div-I team...badoomboom). I just want minor league football with a real playoff system, or at least a mathematical, unbiased ranking system. I don't care which system, just get a real system where people can't coast through to bowl games without any real challenge.<BR/><BR/>Is that so much to ask?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165009670162757812006-12-01T16:47:00.000-05:002006-12-01T16:47:00.000-05:00I'm glad I'm a Buckeye fan, and they are undefeate...I'm glad I'm a Buckeye fan, and they are undefeated and headed to AZ in January. ;)Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11071405721004631626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165006570617374192006-12-01T15:56:00.000-05:002006-12-01T15:56:00.000-05:00ya im rooting for the Salukis too cause then when...ya im rooting for the Salukis too cause then when UNH beats up on UMass UNH should host S Illinois next week. though UNH is 6-1 on the road so i suppose a road game is better.Travishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01676482582616039215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165006427705503502006-12-01T15:53:00.000-05:002006-12-01T15:53:00.000-05:00Go SALUUUUUUUUUUUUUKIS!There, I feel better.Go SALUUUUUUUUUUUUUKIS!<BR/><BR/>There, I feel better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165006115465073072006-12-01T15:48:00.000-05:002006-12-01T15:48:00.000-05:00Dan, why dont you be the first sports repoter on t...Dan, why dont you be the first sports repoter on the national level to actually take some time to write about the FCS (Football Championship Subdivision) While I know they dont attract the crowds the big boys in the FBS (Football Bowl Subdivision) but atleast they play for championships on the field.<BR/><BR/>This weekend the playoffs continue with the quarterfinals. Yes guys thats right after this Saturday theres still 2 more weeks of non bowl college football.<BR/><BR/>And guess what! New Hampshire..remember them? they the kids that went into Northwestern and put on a clinic. Well there still playing while those Wildcats of the midwest are done for the winter.<BR/><BR/>This weekends quarterfinal matches are...<BR/><BR/>Montana State @ Appalachian State<BR/><BR/>Illinois State @ Youngstown State<BR/><BR/>New Hampshire @ Massachusetts<BR/><BR/>Southern Illinois @ MontanaTravishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01676482582616039215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165005439111730572006-12-01T15:37:00.000-05:002006-12-01T15:37:00.000-05:00Here's an idea... let's get Ohio State and Michiga...Here's an idea... let's get Ohio State and Michigan to meet next week on a neutral field. <BR/><BR/>We'll call it: "The Big Ten Championship Game."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165005247724673202006-12-01T15:34:00.000-05:002006-12-01T15:34:00.000-05:00Not that I like defending the most overrated confe...Not that I like defending the most overrated conference in sports -- what others call the SEC, but they did have a national chamion win the BCS just 3 years ago. It was when USC was number 1 in BOTH human polls, but LSU got to play Oklahoma in the Championship game -- despite Oklahoma losing to Kansas State in the Big XII Championship. <BR/><BR/>That's what I like best about SEC BCS winers (including the President of Florida at the moment). Their revisionist history allows them to complain about Auburn but forget about LSU and not even wait until Florida wins this week-end....Natsfan74https://www.blogger.com/profile/02774593132826810650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165004732147089852006-12-01T15:25:00.000-05:002006-12-01T15:25:00.000-05:00Aight, Dan, I get the point; I'm outtie.Aight, Dan, I get the point; I'm outtie.john (east lansing, mi)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03872457640564913468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165003890794837832006-12-01T15:11:00.000-05:002006-12-01T15:11:00.000-05:00Joe:All I'm saying is that Florida WON their remat...Joe:<BR/>All I'm saying is that Florida WON their rematch. If they had lost, there would be no empirical evidence that a rematch works, but they won. I'm not arguing that it takes a bunch of circumstances to get the game to happen or anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165003368321149062006-12-01T15:02:00.000-05:002006-12-01T15:02:00.000-05:00Eric said...1995 Florida proved empirically that t...<I>Eric said...<BR/>1995 Florida proved empirically that the statement "They had their shot" is invalid. </I><BR/><BR/>It was 1996, and Florida had to have like 5 or 6 things go their way. <BR/><BR/>- They lost a close 1 v. 2 classic to FSU @FSU 24-21. The Bowl Coalition at the time had the deal where 1 v. 2 in the poll played in a de facto National Title game so long as they weren't Big 10 or Pac 10 (because they wouldn't agree to give up Rose Bowl spot).<BR/><BR/>- They fell to 4th in the poll behind Arizona State (undefeated) and Nebraska.<BR/><BR/>- Nebraska lost their conference title game to Texas, Florida moved to 3rd behind FSU and ASU.<BR/><BR/>- The Bowl Coalition, by contract had to take the top two teams eligible for their agreement (which was Florida and FSU). The Rose Bowl pitted Arizona State and Ohio State the day before. <BR/><BR/>- ASU lost to Ohio State, making Florida/FSU for all the marbles. UF won.<BR/><BR/>Florida had no shot at the National Title until 24 hours before their game kicked off. Florida was selected because the contract required it. <B>NOT</B> because the game at FSU was such a classic that it was clear Florida was #2 in the country.<BR/><BR/>Joe (Dayton)Trey (formerly TF)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16016679366233865869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165002832220369772006-12-01T14:53:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:53:00.000-05:00I'm sick of hearing "they had their shot." You ca...I'm sick of hearing "they had their shot." You can argue that they are not as good as USC, or Florida, or LSU. You can argue schedules, team rosters, stats, or whatever, but don't just say that they are disqualified because they lost an away game by three points (I know, it wasn't as close as the score, but they did win that second half). 1995 Florida proved empirically that the statement "They had their shot" is invalid.<BR/><BR/>You put both of those defenses on a field that doesn't resemble a bad toupee experiment, and you'll not only get a good game, it'll be completely different than the first one. BUT, I'm not going to argue in favor of a rematch, because the UM-LSU game looks good, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165002696674948912006-12-01T14:51:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:51:00.000-05:00I don't think it's crazy to suggest that the most ...I don't think it's crazy to suggest that the most impressive thing Michigan did this season is lose by only 3 at Ohio State (though everyone who watched the game agrees that it wasn't as close as the score indicated...yet I'm willing to give Michigan credit on this).<BR/><BR/>I feel for Boise State. They had one signature win -- clobbering a team that beat USC. They're like the "Transitive Property Pac-10 Champions." But you can make a case that "head-to-head, once-removed" they deserve a spot in the title game ahead of USC. No one will believe in that logic, but there it is.<BR/><BR/>Say this for the system: At least they created this fifth bowl so that non-BCS teams like Boise State can get to a marquee game and (a) get some national exposure and (b) get a ton of money. But even if there was an 8-team playoff, as long as you were using a human poll, coaches' poll and computer poll aggregate to determine your field, Boise still wouldn't make it. I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just pointing it out.<BR/><BR/>I can't really get into the flaws of the various playoff suggestions here. I think once things are settled next week, I'll have time/space to do it.<BR/><BR/>(By the way, you've got to allow me to mix it up with you -- and potentially say asinine things -- in the Comment area. I enjoy it. It's a place for me to try out arguments. It's a way for me to be a little more informal or get into the meat of specific arguments that I can't do in a regular old blog post. If I'm sometimes an idiot, I can only hope that I sometimes say things of even minimal value. <BR/><BR/>And, of course, I always welcome your rebuttals and challenges to my arguments. I enjoy the being proven wrong far more than I enjoy thinking I'm right.Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165002358953022662006-12-01T14:45:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:45:00.000-05:00Michigan fans are using Penn State, why can't Flor...Michigan fans are using Penn State, why can't Florida use UGA? Both are 8-4...<BR/><BR/>Tennessee is 9-3, with a blowout win over Cal, their three losses are to Florida, Arkansas, and LSU...not shabby.<BR/><BR/>Listen Florida still needs to win tomorrow for this to mean shit. But if they do it will be another good win. I just think it's stupid to discount them if USC loses.<BR/><BR/>Joe (Dayton)Trey (formerly TF)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16016679366233865869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165001838065778512006-12-01T14:37:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:37:00.000-05:00Michigan had their shot to be #1 and blew it. Oth...Michigan had their shot to be #1 and blew it. Otherwise, in what sense does "every game count"? They lost late in the season in their most important game, they can't be national champions. And they don't deserve a shot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165001758284218992006-12-01T14:35:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:35:00.000-05:00ndyanks:Not arguing his worthiness. I'm just sayi...ndyanks:<BR/>Not arguing his worthiness. I'm just saying that he's a distant second now, whereas he would have been neck and neck with Troy Smith without the loss to Michigan. And, there are a lot of people who would hate to see that happen simply because he's from Notre Dame. <BR/><BR/>BTW, I never really thought about it from that angle, but you're right that he's carrying that team.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165000995911543312006-12-01T14:23:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:23:00.000-05:00However, they knocked the crap out of ND too, so t...However, they knocked the crap out of ND too, so the Michigan ND win is not as special as it was.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Except for the fact that Michigan won at ND and USC won at Home. I think makes Michigan's win more impressive.CMFosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291296862033162143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165000860687412762006-12-01T14:21:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:21:00.000-05:00Jeff said... So what "significant" win did Flordia...<I>Jeff said... <BR/>So what "significant" win did Flordia have? LSU? </I><BR/><BR/>LSU 10-2; @ Tennessee (9-3); Georgia (8-4)<BR/><BR/><I>I've seen michigan play, and i've seen flordia play. Flordia wins ugly, but they win. Michigan win's strong and they win.</I><BR/><BR/>You mean like Ball State, Northwestern, Minnesota? Michigan really handled those teams who don't have winning records. <BR/><BR/><I>Also, why should Wisconsin be a "Significant" win? Because it doesn't factor into your ultimate plan? Any 10-1 team that comes out of a big conference is a good team. </I><BR/><BR/>It's a good win, no denying, but you can't ignore the fact that they have 2 wins over teams with winning records. Boise State might have played a harder schedule...seriously. <BR/><BR/><I>Dan, I understand that there are a lot of michigan fans that read your blog, and post comments. And for some reason you enjoy being an internet troll to them... hey, maybe it is fun? But sometimes doesn't your reputation have to sit on your shoulder and say "Maybe I shouldn't say that, I know better."</I><BR/><BR/>What has he brought up that isn't a legit comment?<BR/><BR/>Joe (Dayton)Trey (formerly TF)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16016679366233865869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165000654337673332006-12-01T14:17:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:17:00.000-05:00The most impressive thing Michigan did this season...The most impressive thing Michigan did this season was two-fold, and it involved Notre Dame:<BR/>1) eliminated all of the bitching about a national championship from their fans that we would have heard UP TO last weekend<BR/>2) eliminated Brady Quinn from the Heisman discussion, which ND fans would also have bitched about at least up to last weekend, and maybe still<BR/><BR/>AND, their arguments would have been sorta justified, if ND was undefeated. So, on behalf of Michigan football, a big YOU'RE WELCOME to all non-ND fans.<BR/><BR/>And, also, Dan, I like your instant history schtick. But, with your assumption that Michigan will lose to LSU, I must say that I am in strong disfavor of your instant future schtick. <BR/><BR/>PS: We knew that we would lose to USC in 04, and weren't exactly planning our victory parade early against Texas the next year. Might I add, those teams, without much shakeup, won National Championships the next year!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165000466543841132006-12-01T14:14:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:14:00.000-05:00ugh...army-navy.ugh...army-navy.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1165000128270044642006-12-01T14:08:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:08:00.000-05:00Michigan is a good team, but take away that preven...Michigan is a good team, but take away that prevent defense touchdown, would we be saying they are a definitive #2?<BR/><BR/>I'm being objective here, did anyone seriously doubt that OSU was going to lose that game in the last 5 minutes? No! Had they got the onside...maybe.<BR/><BR/>Clearly USC is #2, hands down they should be in the title game. However, they knocked the crap out of ND too, so the Michigan ND win is not as special as it was. The Wisconsin win was nice, but Wisconsin has TWO wins over teams with winning records (Purdue,Penn State)<BR/><BR/>I just don't think Michigan is as CLEAR CUT a number 2 as the talking heads/Michigan fans believe they are. <BR/><BR/>Joe (Dayton)Trey (formerly TF)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16016679366233865869noreply@blogger.com