tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post116956751878338816..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: The "State of the Sports Union," 2007 EditionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169649057561197752007-01-24T09:30:00.000-05:002007-01-24T09:30:00.000-05:00MLB is not niche. It's "problem" is that it has a...MLB is not niche. It's "problem" is that it has a six month season. Everyday something is happening so there is no buildup for the game at the end of the week.<BR/><BR/>Howard is not the Face of Baseball, Dan. No matter how often you say it. Pujols should be, but sadly I think Bonds and Clemens may be right now.<BR/><BR/>ma4tt: Thanks for not mentioning that the NFL has a bigger PED problem than MLB. Keep ignoring the man (with the needle) behind the curtain.<BR/><BR/>And as others have said, Pele & the Cosmos didn't make soccer explode here 30 years ago, so why will Beckham? I see lots of kids playing organized soccer all the time (and have for 20 years), but still it's yet to stick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169626694769610512007-01-24T03:18:00.000-05:002007-01-24T03:18:00.000-05:00One of my favorite posts I've ever read on this bl...One of my favorite posts I've ever read on this blog. Good job, Dan.BobbyStompyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344775000528270647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169607354970188622007-01-23T21:55:00.000-05:002007-01-23T21:55:00.000-05:00Big Smitty, 20 years ago, there weren't as many La...Big Smitty, 20 years ago, there weren't as many Latinos. <BR/>We're taking over! and we like soccer..TV will want those viewers, soccer will gain exposure, it will grow.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169592837607563242007-01-23T17:53:00.000-05:002007-01-23T17:53:00.000-05:00@ solomonrex:"What about gambling? It's like stero...<B><I>@ solomonrex:</B><BR/><BR/>"What about gambling? It's like steroids in the 90s: we all know something is going on, we just don't know when or where and no one wants to find out."</I><BR/><BR/>That's a very dangerous door to open. And I agree with you 100% - there is absolutely no way to tell who's got money on a game right now. <BR/><BR/>Internet gambling (no matter how much the government might try) is just about impossible to control. More importantly, there's no way to tell who's really placing a bet (or who's shill-betting on behalf of someone else).<BR/><BR/>I remember during the Boise St./Oklahoma Fiesta Bowl, when the BSU quarterback through that unconscionable pick to put Oklahoma ahead, the first thing that came into my head was "Damn - there's no way in hell he's not tanking this game." Or course, I was clearly wrong. What's new.<BR/><BR/>But like I said - that's a dangerous door to open up. That might even fall under "The less said, the better", because the minute one player/coach/GM/Owner falls, the whole hierarchy will collapse behind them.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Now, onto more important things. Does anybody get a copy of <I>The Sporting News</I>? <BR/><BR/>I know the publication has become completely irrelevant, but somehow, I got registered to receive the magazine about two years ago for free - yet to pay a cent. <BR/><BR/>Also, yet to ever read it. But the cover of <A HREF="http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/bigd29x/Random%20Storage/maglanding_mainmag.gif" REL="nofollow"> this week's issue</A> is absolutely priceless.<BR/><BR/>And creepy. And possibly libelous.Big Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11478232002387175988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169591768012854982007-01-23T17:36:00.000-05:002007-01-23T17:36:00.000-05:00The problem with hockey on TV is not that you can'...The problem with hockey on TV is not that you can't see the puck. You can. It's the little black thing that's flying across the ice over there. The problem is that they bother to follow the puck at all. They film hockey all wrong. The most exciting thing about the game is how, in mere seconds, plays can develop from any part of the ice; the action moves all over the place. (The reason hockey counts both goals and assists as points in player statistics is that setting up complex plays is such a huge part of the game.) Since the camera just follows the puck, however, you miss much of the beauty, a lot of the complexity, and just about all of the speed and intensity of the game. This is because most of the action is happening away from the puck.<BR/><BR/>Broadcasters of high-level soccer games abroad (which have the same feature, in that a big fraction of the action happens away from the ball) have learned this lesson, and perpetually feature very wide shots, only switching to close-in looks at the goal right after a goal (or a close call). Hockey needs to do more of the same sort of thing.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and how can anyone say that baseball is boring? That baffles me.markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02367754765898020281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169589609013624812007-01-23T17:00:00.000-05:002007-01-23T17:00:00.000-05:00Ben said... sorry about the long post before, but ...Ben said... <BR/>sorry about the long post before, but i had one more thing to add. As far as the NFL sunday ticket, and MLB extra innings. We live in a free market society. If the cable companies understood how much extra revenue those items might bring them, they would have worked to negotiate a contract that included them. Directv have exclusive rights, is sad, but they were willing to shell out the cash and make the commitment. Don't blame the NFL, MLB, or Directv, it's the fault of your cable company who keeps raising prices, but don't want to pay to offer programming that you want. <BR/><BR/>1/23/2007 04:50:47 PM <BR/><BR/><BR/>i dont blame the nfl or mlb or even directtv...like i said, i blame bloggers and steinbrenner.noochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06564947671268618037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169589047782338022007-01-23T16:50:00.000-05:002007-01-23T16:50:00.000-05:00sorry about the long post before, but i had one mo...sorry about the long post before, but i had one more thing to add. As far as the NFL sunday ticket, and MLB extra innings. We live in a free market society. If the cable companies understood how much extra revenue those items might bring them, they would have worked to negotiate a contract that included them. Directv have exclusive rights, is sad, but they were willing to shell out the cash and make the commitment. Don't blame the NFL, MLB, or Directv, it's the fault of your cable company who keeps raising prices, but don't want to pay to offer programming that you want.BLUEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01547964589052140083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169588840726451772007-01-23T16:47:00.000-05:002007-01-23T16:47:00.000-05:00Baseball is boring. It's the truth. Deal with it....Baseball is boring. It's the truth. Deal with it. That's why it's a niche sport. That's the definition of niche sport, that there are a group of die-hard fans that the team make all of their money off of. Exclude the USA Red Sox, where it seems like everyone is a fan, and you go to the games so you can say that you went to Fenway rather then actually enjoy the game. <BR/><BR/>Basketball is less of a niche sport, but there are a lot of people who have been put off by the Jordan wannabes and the me first players in the NBA, that's why CBB and the NCAA tourney is so popular. <BR/><BR/>As far as hockey, it's great to go to games, but you can't develop a strong fanbase these days if you're not on tv. And no, the network formerly known as Outdoor Life Network, does not count as TV. HD or not, hockey will never be good on tv because the action is just too fast.<BR/><BR/>Football is king and will always be king...unless Peyton Manning wins a superbowl, and then I won't watch anymore, partially because my television will have imploded from the saturation of the worst "superstar" ever.BLUEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01547964589052140083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169588620858876002007-01-23T16:43:00.000-05:002007-01-23T16:43:00.000-05:00NFL: I agree, they've had a great year. Gooddell'...<B>NFL:</B> I agree, they've had a great year. Gooddell's agenda should include a comprehensive policy for dealing with the Direct TV situation before Specter does it for him. And to work out the kinks over at the NFL Network.<BR/> <BR/><B>MLB:</B> Dan, your ongoing facsination with creating a "new Face of Baseball" is kind of odd. And Selig cannot escape Bonds and the chase or the continued steroid issues, both media-created/driven and legal.<BR/><BR/><B>NBA:</B> Fighting and new ball issues aside, this looks to be an entertaining and solid year from the NBA. Let's hope the playoffs are great (LeBron took a little jump last year, let's him take The Leap).<BR/><BR/><B>College Football:</B> I hate the BCS, but there'll never be a real playoff system, so whatever. Wake me if Rutgers goes on another tear, and for the good bowl games.<BR/> <BR/><B>College Hoops:</B> Good times here, and you're right about the effect of the draft age restriction. At least the NCAA can put a claim on guys like Oden for a minute before they take off.<BR/> <BR/><B>NHL:</B> Not into it, can't comment.<BR/> <BR/><B>Sports Media:</B> The more competition for the WWL, the better off everyone, including ESPN, will be.<BR/> <BR/><B>Sports Ethics:</B> The Bengals are looking to shatter the criminality on a team record, but aside from the laughs, you're right, Dan, no one really seems to care (if they were an NBA team, though, people would be gnashing their teeth and rending their clothes)...steroids aren't going away...mattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13140791869711206907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169587789667700102007-01-23T16:29:00.000-05:002007-01-23T16:29:00.000-05:00Eventually, Steinbrenner will die, and then the sp...Eventually, Steinbrenner will die, and then the sports world will be a little less interesting and more sane. ~sniff~<BR/><BR/>I'm 100% sure that Simmons has a column ready to go for that day.<BR/><BR/>I can hear the eulogy now, "He was the Mark Cuban of his day, immature, self-absorbed, fabulously involved, a larger than life figure with a mouth to match."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169587507120135962007-01-23T16:25:00.001-05:002007-01-23T16:25:00.001-05:00The NHL will come back eventually. They're headed...The NHL will come back eventually. They're headed in the right direction. The problem right now is that there are huge pockets of the country that don't have any rooting interest in hockey because they don't have a "home" team. I don't understand the criticism that hockey is too difficult to follow because you can't see the puck unless you have HD. Uhm.. huh?<BR/><BR/>Now living in KC all I can hope for is that the Penguins move out here so I can see hockey games again. Nothing against Pittsburg, but if I can watch Staahl, Malkin, and Crosby play together for the next several years...hooray for me!<BR/><BR/>SportsBlogs and Messageboards: Backlash against people considered to be "homers" (see Bill Simmons). Now there's people who go to teams message boards just to start fights and talk smack. Good or bad? I'm not sure.jhawkjjmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297634924511036895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169587502128877292007-01-23T16:25:00.000-05:002007-01-23T16:25:00.000-05:00Poker and bowling have better ratings than hockey....Poker and bowling have better ratings than hockey.<BR/><BR/>Poker is a fad, right? RIGHT?<BR/><BR/>Here are two big questions in my mind: how do we handle steriods? It seems that we're just ignoring it.<BR/><BR/>What about gambling? It's like steroids in the 90s: we all know something is going on, we just don't know when or where and no one wants to find out. With the Internet, pretty much anyone at anytime could be tanking a game. <BR/><BR/>Everyone assumes that every politician is sooo crooked, but somehow athletes and coaches are all saints?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169586467055216422007-01-23T16:07:00.000-05:002007-01-23T16:07:00.000-05:00as much as it pains me to say, i cant see soccer n...as much as it pains me to say, i cant see soccer not getting big in the usa in the next 7-12 years.<BR/><BR/>Both my sons play on the township traveling soccer teams (in new jersey), and these associations take this shit seriously...serious about the rules, the games, the championships, the development of good players. Parents are highly involved and they have huge soccer schools all around the state that are run by ex-euro league players.<BR/><BR/>Rec soccer and youth soccer were not this way when i was a kid, that was reserved for more popular sports such as baseball and football.<BR/><BR/>As for the other sports, after reading about DirectTV getting the rights to MLB extra innings, once i was done vomiting since i just installed digital cable with comcast, i decided that the big sports are going the way pay for access.<BR/><BR/>Someone above mentioned the skyrocketing costs of baseball at fenway...i remember buying SCALPED tickets to the red sox yankees matchup where clemens got his 2000th strikeout, 15 rows up from 1st base, and got them for $25 each...you'd be lucky to look at pictures of those tickets for under $300 these days scalped.<BR/><BR/>I for one am going to blame it on bloggers who perpetuate the frenzy of sports fanaticism, and while im at it i will blame steinbrenner too, just cause i havent seen his name in this blog recently.noochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06564947671268618037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169584409479069322007-01-23T15:33:00.000-05:002007-01-23T15:33:00.000-05:00Right, revScott, it's apples and oranges, but it's...Right, revScott, it's apples and oranges, but it's always apples and oranges. No league has fewer televised events than Nascar, consequently, ratings are generally higher. That's the nature of the NFL and Nascar, but give them credit for not over-expanding.<BR/><BR/>If ratings don't matter, then the NHL is in really good shape. But the reality is that TV feeds these sports. Role models and all that. Baseball benefits from it's unique status with Fox, it's popularity with hispanics from Latin/South America and the lack of parity - the fact that big market teams always make the playoffs doesn't hurt their ratings. It's true that more people can generally give details about baseball happenings than Nascar.<BR/><BR/>So, I change my mind. It's more like NFL/CFB, then a tier down to NBA/MLB/NASCAR/PGA, then a large step down to MLS/NHL/Arena.<BR/><BR/>As for soccer never becoming popular, I have to disagree. In previous times, there was no satellite feeds from overseas. Boxing and horse racing were still popular. Football was not. Times change, and with all the access to sports we have worldwide, plus immigration patterns, it's just a matter of time. That isn't to say a classic american sports league like MLS will ever be popular. But the potential is there.<BR/><BR/>Since newspapers are dying, there is no consensus as to what constitutes a big league - outside of TV deals. Maybe some day there will be more people discussing soccer in Spanish in America than discussing baseball in English.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169584311553473532007-01-23T15:31:00.000-05:002007-01-23T15:31:00.000-05:00To say the NHL is a niche sport like MLS and Arena...To say the NHL is a niche sport like MLS and Arena Footall is a little misguided. The NHL generated around $2.2 billion (projected 2007: $2.5 billion)and some players receive around $7-8 annually. I don't see Arena Football or MLS players making that much (Beckham excluded). <BR/><BR/>As Mark Cuban so rightly pointed out, if you add up North American viewership, more people watch the NHL than the NBA. <BR/><BR/>The NBA generates just over $3 billion per year with a U.S. television contract. <BR/><BR/>As I mentioned in an earlier post today, Dan stated that the NBA is the largest of the 'Niche' sports. The difference in revenue generated between the NFL, MLB and NASCAR is larger than that of the NBA to the NHL.kirby077https://www.blogger.com/profile/04231901797267739313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169583899098049102007-01-23T15:24:00.000-05:002007-01-23T15:24:00.000-05:00big d...i should have clarified. i go to red game...big d...<BR/><BR/>i should have clarified. i go to red games. take the yankees and red sox out of it. you can still get cubs tickets with no problem.<BR/><BR/>my main point is that the majority of sports can can go to their baseball stadium at anytime and get a ticekt. i'm not saying a good ticket, but a ticket. you cant' do that with the NFL. those tickets are long sold out.<BR/><BR/>i don't want to say anything about nascar b/c i don't know about it. but i do know that columbus blue jackets tickets are also really expensive. and they suck!RevScottDeMangeMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220843774217781967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169583610591595552007-01-23T15:20:00.000-05:002007-01-23T15:20:00.000-05:00Holy crap I typed a lot. Sorry.Holy crap I typed a lot. Sorry.Big Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11478232002387175988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169583595697672502007-01-23T15:19:00.000-05:002007-01-23T15:19:00.000-05:00@ bigsmitty:Never would have guessed someone named...<I><B>@ bigsmitty:</I></B><BR/><BR/>Never would have guessed someone named "Smitty" could be from Boston... <BR/><BR/>It's true - Hockey is completely irrelevant. And I'm saying this as someone who would honestly believes that hockey is the best sport to watch live. <BR/><BR/>The whole "vote-fixing" just serves to provide everyone another reminder of how the "institutions" in sports (leagues, commisioners, media) are entrenched in their beliefs, and too afraid to allow new technology and new ideas to permeate the culture.<BR/><BR/><I><B>@ natsfan74 & solomonrex:</B><BR/><BR/>"...baseball is like $25 AND they play ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO GAMES A YEAR."<BR/><BR/>"Baseball games are cheaper and more accessible than any of the other sports."</I><BR/><BR/>Uh... really? Clearly, you're <I>not</I> from the greater New England area. Red Sox tickets are the highest average in MLB - it's big news around here when they <I>don't</I> raise prices.<BR/><BR/>On average, a family of four has to pay about $200 just to walk in the park at Fenway (assuming you buy tickets legally. Scalping to Fenway is like a license to print money). <BR/><BR/>Plus transportation (which is theoretically cheaper, since everyone takes the train). Parking lots near Fenway get anywhere from $30 to $100 for a game, depending on distance. Otherwise, the T is $2.50 round-trip per person - the real "train" can be as much as $10 per.<BR/><BR/>Not to mention the "refreshments". The $8.50 Bud Light 12oz, $7 Nachos, $6.50 Burgers and $4.50 <I>bottled waters</I>...<BR/><BR/>Pats games might me more expensive in the average ticket price, but there are far more available, so the scalping market is greatly reduced.<BR/><BR/><BR/>As for the rest of the argument, yes, you're 100% right - baseball rating suffer from the long season. There's a reason that LCS / WS games are 3 or 4 times higher rated than the rest of the season. Borderline fans tune in if their team has a shot - otherwise, they couldn't care less.Big Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11478232002387175988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169582955337921992007-01-23T15:09:00.000-05:002007-01-23T15:09:00.000-05:00Sorry for the 2nd post so fast, but I agree with R...Sorry for the 2nd post so fast, but I agree with Revscott....<BR/><BR/>Baseball games are cheaper and more accessible than any of the other sports. Redskins only sell season tickets. Caps and Wiz are too expensive for the casual fan who would otherwise go just for the experience. But for $3, I can get into RFK (really!).<BR/><BR/>Baseball tv ratings suffer because of the season. On a nice Saturday in June, I am either at a game (GO Nats!) or I am outside doing something. I am not glued to my tv for Fox Saturday Baseball.Natsfan74https://www.blogger.com/profile/02774593132826810650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169582492637327832007-01-23T15:01:00.000-05:002007-01-23T15:01:00.000-05:00Hockey and NASCAR will always have a strong core o...Hockey and NASCAR will always have a strong core of die-hard followers. Both sports are significantly better live than on tv, so tv ratings are less relevant than fans in seats -- except for the money tv generates. But hockey has to expand their fan base to more than the die-hards, much the way NASCAR did, to remain relevant. <BR/><BR/>I love hockey. But my cable company doesn't get versus, and tickets to see the Caps are pretty expensive for a casual fan. And, as a DC transplant, I don't even get to see my favorite team come out here since the league went with the unbalanced schedule.<BR/><BR/>The future in American Sports is Soccer. Beckham coming to MLS is going to be just a start. Once teams realize fans will come out to see stars, we will see more international superstars come to MLS (see NHL). A growing MLS fan base, and more friendlies against EPL teams, will develop a strong soccer fan base in the US that will carry over to World Cup.Natsfan74https://www.blogger.com/profile/02774593132826810650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169582311880221212007-01-23T14:58:00.000-05:002007-01-23T14:58:00.000-05:00@solomonrexlook, i agree that football and nascar ...@solomonrex<BR/><BR/>look, i agree that football and nascar beat the ratings of baseball. but that's the thing...ratings don't matter. think about it.<BR/><BR/>what is the average price for a football ticket? for the nfl it's like $70. for nascar, not sure...but i bet it's around $70 also. baseball is like $25 AND they play ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO GAMES A YEAR. how are ratings supposed to keep up like that? the nfl's ratings would not be as good if they played 3 times a week. the less that it's on, the more we are going to watch. plus, why watch it on tv when I can just go down to the ball park and by a cheap ticket. you can't do that with football...why? only 8 home games a year. just a thought. a friendly debate if you want.RevScottDeMangeMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220843774217781967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169581775787847792007-01-23T14:49:00.000-05:002007-01-23T14:49:00.000-05:00It's 2007 and Cleveland still hasn't won a champio...It's 2007 and Cleveland still hasn't won a championship since 1964 (and unless the Cavs wake up from their slumber, it's going to continue for the foreseeable future).Boomhauertjshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17639837433352261394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169581407954983792007-01-23T14:43:00.000-05:002007-01-23T14:43:00.000-05:00agreed on soccer. another sport that can only gro...agreed on soccer. another sport that can only grow, not decline. and it will grow, imo.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169581324431154322007-01-23T14:42:00.000-05:002007-01-23T14:42:00.000-05:00There are a limited number of teams that can be en...There are a limited number of teams that can be entertaining...the number of teams in the NBA.<BR/><BR/><BR/>NHL will always have a hold over a part of the population. It can only grow, not ever get smaller. That's the great thing about hockey. As a non-fan, you just don't get it, Dan. <BR/><BR/>As for niche..are we just talking TV Ratings? If its percentage of fans filling seats...most of the sports are doing fine. If its TV ratings, then its NFL, CFB...and the rest.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1169581144475210442007-01-23T14:39:00.000-05:002007-01-23T14:39:00.000-05:00Baseball is niche. Check the ratings.It's NFL, Co...Baseball is niche. Check the ratings.<BR/><BR/>It's NFL, College Football and either Nascar or Golf (guh).<BR/><BR/>At least the NHL is relevant on a continental level. Arena league is a goofy minor league, ESPN deal or not.<BR/><BR/>I think we might very well see EPL/MLS/Latin Soccer Leagues viewership develop to a significant level in the next ten years. With the hispanic population surging, it has a better chance than Arena League. And I think MLS is a couple players, a couple owners and a sane competition scheme away from being taken seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com