tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post5693376182177749460..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Monday 04/02 A.M. Quickie:Why Florida Will Beat Ohio State (Hint: Again)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger166125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-41150990502404201402007-04-02T18:25:00.000-04:002007-04-02T18:25:00.000-04:00First Basemen in the Hall of Fame (post-dead ball ...First Basemen in the Hall of Fame (post-dead ball era), done by career .avg/HR/RBI:<BR/><BR/>1. Lou Gehrig: .340/495/1995<BR/>2. Jimmie Foxx: .325/534/1922<BR/>3. Harmon Killebrew: .256/573/1584<BR/>4. Willie McCovey: .270/521/1555<BR/>5. Eddie Murray: .287/504/1917<BR/>6. Johnny Mize: .312/359/1337<BR/>7. Hank Greenberg: .313/331/1276<BR/>8. Orlando Cepeda: .297/379/1365<BR/>9. Tony Perez: .279/379/1652<BR/>10. Bill Terry: .341/154/1078<BR/><BR/>Not in the Hall:<BR/><BR/>1. McGwire: .263/583/1414<BR/>2. Palmeiro: .288/569/1835<BR/><B>3. Mattingly: .307/222/1099</B><BR/>4. Mo Vaughn: .293/328/1064<BR/>5. Will Clark: .303/284/1205<BR/>6. Keith Hernandez: .296/162/1071<BR/><BR/>Again, this doesn't consider defense, or that Mattingly was a zero bullshit player (dare I say a somewhat likeable Yankee?). But the comparables just aren't good for making the case that Mattingly is a HOFer. At best, he matches up well with contemporaries Will Clark and better than Keith Hernandez. Mo Vaughn could go either way, since he was a better power hitter, but obviously was inferior to Mattingly defensively. <BR/><BR/>KC... not bad today.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-56553871395557918502007-04-02T18:01:00.000-04:002007-04-02T18:01:00.000-04:00F Her's fitch pitch in 35 minutes! No Cy Young fo...F Her's fitch pitch in 35 minutes! No Cy Young for him, but a great season looming!chipphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17233463496650742328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-86482056345766734332007-04-02T17:58:00.000-04:002007-04-02T17:58:00.000-04:00As an M's fan, Griffey's swing will always be reme...As an M's fan, Griffey's swing will always be remembered fondly, but it's C Dan Wilson for favorite player. Great behind the plate and a fantastic person the few times I met him and his wife.chipphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17233463496650742328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-72311151631561205832007-04-02T17:56:00.001-04:002007-04-02T17:56:00.001-04:00KC's $55M man is KILLING the Sox!! :)KC's $55M man is KILLING the Sox!! :)chipphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17233463496650742328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-75604031851516691032007-04-02T17:56:00.000-04:002007-04-02T17:56:00.000-04:00Actually Kurt, I wouldn't. Ortiz needs to do a lot...Actually Kurt, I wouldn't. Ortiz needs to do a lot more before he should get into the hall being a DH, and not having much longevity. He needs to have at least 3 or 4 more great years before he's in consideration.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, it's not an anti-Yankee thing. Can't it be that Mattingly simply doesn't deserve to be in the Hall.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-47558122404819475422007-04-02T17:22:00.000-04:002007-04-02T17:22:00.000-04:00Todd and Verbal, you guys account for 41 of the 17...Todd and Verbal, you guys account for 41 of the 174 comments today...give it up. Verbal, todd's never going to change his mind, he's a red sox fan and would never give a Yankee the benefit of the doubt in any situation. You can be sure that if Ortiz's career ended tomorrow, Todd would be on here arguing he deserves to be in the hall of fame.Kurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14615862536072857322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-59658910335431536092007-04-02T16:43:00.000-04:002007-04-02T16:43:00.000-04:00I'd like to go one off season without fear of a co...I'd like to go one off season without fear of a coach leaving, Beilein last year...Rich Rod this year...and now Beilein again, this gets old Mountaineer faithful. I love JB, but he'll never stay at WVU forever will he, dammit!<BR/> anyways, I love Eric Davis...gosh, everything I owned was Eric Davis, the starting lineups, shirts, cards, his rookie card was 18 bucks at one time, now it's probably worth nothing. The guy was blazing fast and powerful...too bad injuries and cancer hurt things, he'll always be a baseball god to me!Andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04012679136111896234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-31105227448608023892007-04-02T16:32:00.000-04:002007-04-02T16:32:00.000-04:00Alright, I'm heading home for the day, but damnit,...Alright, I'm heading home for the day, but damnit, Dan's write-up better list something on the Mattingly HOF debate. I think we firmly hijacked this thread with that... sorry to all those who couldn't give a rats ass... <BR/><BR/>Verbal, it was fun. Enjoy the win today.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-15265969755181489352007-04-02T16:25:00.000-04:002007-04-02T16:25:00.000-04:00@rukrusherI think you may have misinterpreted the ...@rukrusher<BR/><BR/>I think you may have misinterpreted the -110. -110 is a standard "take" for the casinos/sportsbooks off of a standard bet.<BR/><BR/>You'll see it listed as Florida -4.5 -110. What this basically means, is you're laying 4.5 points with Florida, and even if you win, you're not getting paid even money, the book is getting a cut. So to win $10, you'd have to risk $11. If you risk $10, you'd only win about $9.09.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, a buddy of mine just e-mailed me a little while ago, explaining the exact opposite scenario. Luckily for him, he can put money on Ohio State to win at +200 odds tonight, which gives him much better hedging opportunites. Basically the league is $400 for 1st place and $200 for 2nd place and I figured out a way he can guarantee he wins $333.Big Blog of Basketball Listshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07218362526426773170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-5268598692408841802007-04-02T16:18:00.001-04:002007-04-02T16:18:00.001-04:00That's some Big Papi for everyone.That's some Big Papi for everyone.GuyInTheCornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281686811471557576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-23888526715717137392007-04-02T16:18:00.000-04:002007-04-02T16:18:00.000-04:00Rose I believe stopped playing in '85 which would ...Rose I believe stopped playing in '85 which would have put him just inside the 5 years, which is why he was ineligible.<BR/><BR/>I don't discount that Puckett's defensive achievements weren't as good as Mattingly's, I was just saying Mattingly's defense is another aspect in his corner. And there's no way of proving saving errors, I just watched in the vicinity of 150 games a year (100 Yankees/50 Mets) when I was younger, and that's the impression that I had then and now.verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-5517527285370831902007-04-02T16:15:00.000-04:002007-04-02T16:15:00.000-04:00Hey, where's Dan's MLB preview?Hey, where's Dan's MLB preview?ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-18200641828397015612007-04-02T16:12:00.000-04:002007-04-02T16:12:00.000-04:00Hmm... forgot to mention Kevin Brown in that domin...Hmm... forgot to mention Kevin Brown in that dominant for a short time argument... he was pretty good defensively too, wasn't he?ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-60554771773998897372007-04-02T16:10:00.000-04:002007-04-02T16:10:00.000-04:00Okay, "saved more errors"... yeah, have fun provin...Okay, "saved more errors"... yeah, have fun proving that one... seriously, I'm actually looking forward to what you'll pull out next. <BR/><BR/>I've never said Mattingly wasn't a very good defensive first baseman. Just saying the difference between being a very good first baseman and being a very good center fielder is very important to consider. <BR/><BR/>Isn't it possible that Mattingly, through the nostalgia, has become better in memory than he actually was? <BR/><BR/>And Rose should be in the Hall for his playing career. I could be wrong, but wasn't he ineligible since he was still in baseball as a manager, or did he get caught within the five years?ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-71924812718661277302007-04-02T16:04:00.000-04:002007-04-02T16:04:00.000-04:00Hey Guy, April Fools' Day was yesterday, you can g...Hey Guy, April Fools' Day was yesterday, you can give up on the whole Bonds is better discussion. It's not even a question, Ruth is so far superior that Bonds might as well be Dan Pasqua.verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-72564589014931119412007-04-02T16:01:00.001-04:002007-04-02T16:01:00.001-04:00Verbal, calm down man... I did say that Ruth gets ...Verbal, calm down man... I did say that Ruth gets the nod as best ever because he revolutionized the sport. <BR/><BR/>I was merely pointing out that Bonds' steals and superior defense (in his prime) at the very least offsets Ruth's pitching... that's the point I was trying to make. <BR/><BR/>@Brian, I think both would actually not be as good in their respective eras given training regimens. Ruth, as a basically two-tool player, would be exposed a lot more in this era. And Bonds wouldn't have had all the training (read: steroids and lifting) back then, so it's not likely he'd have been the five-tool player he was. <BR/><BR/>But overall, Ruth does get the nod as the better player because of how unbelievably dominant he was, and how he changed the game. And, as we've all pointed out, Bonds' accomplishments are tainted. <BR/><BR/>But Bonds has played himself into the discussion with Ruth.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-57754526983819379522007-04-02T16:01:00.000-04:002007-04-02T16:01:00.000-04:00Pete Rose's transgressions occurred after his play...Pete Rose's transgressions occurred after his playing career. Are they to be discounted? It doesn't say in the instructions that character only mattered during your playing career.<BR/><BR/>Buckner reference is valid as it illustrates the overlooked importance of defense at the 1b position. I have never argued that playing 1b is at a par with SS or CF, I argue that it's far more important than people give it credit for.<BR/><BR/>Hernandez?! Really?! That's where you're going with this. Mattingly is tied for the best fielding pct ever. Granted that only covers part of the story, but growing up watching both (I'm from Central NY), Mattingly saved more errors than Hernandez did (from my experience watching).verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-26076298521940056962007-04-02T15:58:00.000-04:002007-04-02T15:58:00.000-04:00Brian-I like your thinking, but we can't change th...Brian-<BR/><BR/>I like your thinking, but we can't change the players.<BR/><BR/>NowBonds then is 100 homers.<BR/>ThenRuth now is no where close.<BR/><BR/>It's hard to say if Bonds was white...<BR/>Or if Ruth had a treadmill...GuyInTheCornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281686811471557576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-27350669070563311942007-04-02T15:53:00.000-04:002007-04-02T15:53:00.000-04:00Sweet, a Buckner reference. You know a Yankees fan...Sweet, a Buckner reference. You know a Yankees fan is getting desperate when he has to pull out Buckner... what's next Bucky Dent? Aaron Boone? <BR/><BR/>Totally agreed that defense is a very important part of the game, and that Mattingly was a very good defensive first baseman. Keith Hernandez strikes me as being better in that era though. Actually, Hernandez strikes me as a decent comp to Mattingly, and he's not a HOFer, except for his awesome Seinfeld appearance. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, winning 8 gold gloves at 1B to me isn't as impressive as winning 6 gold gloves for playing the OF... then again, Gold Gloves are ridiculous anyway (see: Jeter, Derek, excluding '05)... but still, being very good defensively at 1B isn't as difficult as being very good defensively in CF (not saying 1B is easy, just that CF is a lot harder). The wear and tear on your body isn't even close. I'm fairly convinced that almost any CF could play 1B, and the opposite is certainly not true. Playing up the middle is so much more demanding defensively, that it definitely counts toward Puckett's favor. <BR/><BR/>And Kirby's transgressions did not occur during his playing time, which is a big difference. Albert Belle and Canseco's did. Kirby otherwise had an extremely good reputation.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-38278143694541795372007-04-02T15:50:00.000-04:002007-04-02T15:50:00.000-04:00I'm of the opinion, that's it's goofy to make too ...I'm of the opinion, that's it's goofy to make too much of a "this era's got more athletic players". Because it's basically the same type of individuals, just exposed to advance training regimens.<BR/><BR/>Barry Bonds, if he'd have been white and growing up in the 1910s, wouldn't have been as sculpted or maybe as fast, because he wouldn't have done the year-round stuff he did growing up in the 1970s. Babe Ruth, on the other hand, would have had all that. So would Bonds have 59-54-60 homer seasons then? Maybe. Would Ruth have 73 in a season now? Not Ruth as we know him from 1927, but Ruth's body allowed to grow up in the 70s-80s.<BR/><BR/>What's more likely, and what you think probably answers this question: Would a raised-then Bonds have hit 100 homers a year in 1927? Or would a raised-now Ruth now hit 100 homers in 2007? Or would they each have done "just as well"?Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-58699985060636999562007-04-02T15:49:00.000-04:002007-04-02T15:49:00.000-04:00Too bad Bonds won't ever be in The Hall of Fame ca...Too bad Bonds won't ever be in The Hall of Fame cause he took Roids!Patriots64https://www.blogger.com/profile/15787034853382760764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-63859937482218204152007-04-02T15:48:00.000-04:002007-04-02T15:48:00.000-04:00I can't believe people are still actually arguing ...I can't believe people are still actually arguing that Bonds is better than Ruth. It's absolutely preposterous. And people coming out with SB and Bonds' fielding as putting him over the top. I'm absolutely amazed and disgusted. My jaw has dropped to my desk.verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-48761909477524486132007-04-02T15:45:00.000-04:002007-04-02T15:45:00.000-04:00CMFost said... Yes Guy, I think we are.I have a qu...<I>CMFost said... <BR/>Yes Guy, I think we are.<BR/><BR/>I have a question about Florida, don't they only start 1 senior? Could they not if they win this year decide to come back and do something no team has done in a long time and that is 3 peat </I><BR/><BR/>I don't like message board rumors (see UK fans delsuional belief that Donovan to UK is a done deal).<BR/><BR/>Taurean Green's father siad his son is definitly coming back to Gainesville next year. This had led speculation as to whether the other guys would. Horford has said he hasn't made his decision and Noah has always said he's happy in college, so you never know.<BR/><BR/>I will say this. Corey Brewer's dad is very ill and his family is not well off like the other 3 juniors. Recently his had had to have his leg amputated and speculation is he's not going to be around for much longer. I know (assuming he comes back) that Billy will tell him that he needs to go. <BR/><BR/>Of course everything can change if Billy feels the need to go to UK.<BR/><BR/>For now I am going to enjoy this team playing, like I'm watching them one last time. Gainesville North in the Georgia Dome tonight!<BR/><BR/>Go Gators!<BR/><BR/>Joe (Dayton)Trey (formerly TF)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16016679366233865869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-84449296624587500812007-04-02T15:44:00.001-04:002007-04-02T15:44:00.001-04:00@Brian,Yeah, the fact that Ruth was also a very ef...@Brian,<BR/><BR/>Yeah, the fact that Ruth was also a very effective pitcher really is incredible. But then again, Bonds wasn't exactly one-dimensional either, as he was a very good defensive LF (I can't imagine Ruth really was), and Bonds also has a nearly 350 SB advantage over Ruth as well. <BR/><BR/>I think the true answer is that they both were unmatched in their respective eras, with Ruth getting the nod because he revolutionized the game. And because he was possibly less of an asshole.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-26159986582664380792007-04-02T15:44:00.000-04:002007-04-02T15:44:00.000-04:00I wasn't taking a cheap shot at Puckett, nobody fo...I wasn't taking a cheap shot at Puckett, nobody forced him to make the mistakes he did. I was merely bringing into question his character, which if you read the HOF voting instructions is a part of the overall argument and is just as (un)important as speed and position.<BR/><BR/>Not that it's the same, but Ozzie Smith didn't exactly rake did he! So you can't just look at people like Albert Belle and Jose Canseco's offensive numbers...In fact Canseco literally cost his team a home run with his shit-tastic defense. First-base might be an "easy" position in many eyes, but if it were so unimportant why doesn't David Ortiz play the field. I mean, not everybody can field Mookie Wilson's rocket grounder in Game 6 of the World Series.verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.com