tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post6075007101793511229..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Sunday 10/26 Quickie: Not Buying Penn StUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-21100576312459654632008-10-27T17:16:00.000-04:002008-10-27T17:16:00.000-04:00and @ 'the bankrupt museum': so since you said if ...and @ 'the bankrupt museum': so since you said if the SEC beat 'ANYONE' outside of the conf then we could consider a 1-loss team for the BCS, how about Georgia's win over Arizona State, Florida's win over Miami, Kentucky's win over Louisville, Alabama's win over Clemson... do those not count? Does it only count if the team they beat turns out to actually be good? Well I guess by that logic then PSU's entire schedule so far doesn't count for much because the only team of consequence (and I say that begrudgingly) they've beaten is Ohio State.<BR/><BR/>Alabama got lucky with the scheduling rotation this year and their schedule is relatively easy this year as well, but I'll take their win over Georgia as more impressive than PSU's win over Ohio St. And they still have LSU and likely an SEC Championship game vs. a highly ranked team from the SEC East coming up.B.Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17188241780324873268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-39156853147390697162008-10-27T17:02:00.000-04:002008-10-27T17:02:00.000-04:00Hmmm.... I'll take the teams greg m discounted (LS...Hmmm.... I'll take the teams greg m discounted (LSU, Auburn, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt) over the likes of Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, and Northwestern any day. And I don't think LSU winning the BCS last year and losing, albeit badly, to two Top 10 teams this year makes them a "run of the mill" team, as you put it.B.Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17188241780324873268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-8228531071084046842008-10-27T15:31:00.000-04:002008-10-27T15:31:00.000-04:00don't hold penn state in low esteem because ohio s...don't hold penn state in low esteem because ohio state got blown out of the last two national championships.<BR/><BR/>dan, you've started to betray a real anti-PSU bias in recent posts. the offense wasn't there because it was not that kind of game. they weren't going to win by 30 points. they knew that in order to win in columbus they would have to control the ball (zero turnovers), play defense (wells: 55 yds on 22 carries), capitalize on turnovers, and not commit penalties (1 penalty which was declined). <BR/><BR/>penn state has shown all year that it can have an explosive offense. they didn't need to do that in columbus. they needed to play defense and got out with the win.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17887403539251907446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-84263369994184379212008-10-27T14:35:00.000-04:002008-10-27T14:35:00.000-04:00Agreed that nostalgia/sentiment for Paterno should...Agreed that nostalgia/sentiment for Paterno should not be a reason that PSU plays in the BCS championship. However, there's a reason that the computer polls, which take SOS into account, have the Nittany Lions ranked no worse than third.River Otterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00541308317203114667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-19172070729160203782008-10-27T14:05:00.000-04:002008-10-27T14:05:00.000-04:001991 - Penn State: 42 Texas 17in the Fiesta Bowl19...1991 - Penn State: 42 Texas 17<BR/>in the Fiesta Bowl<BR/><BR/>1993 - Penn State: 31 Tennessee: 13<BR/>in the Capitol One Bowl<BR/><BR/>1994 - Penn State:38 Oregon:20<BR/>in the Rose Bowl<BR/><BR/>1995 - Penn State:43 Auburn:14<BR/>in the Outback Bowl<BR/><BR/>1996 - Penn State: 38 Texas:15<BR/>in the Fiesta Bowl<BR/><BR/>1998 - Penn State: 26 Kentucky:14 <BR/>in the Outback Bowl<BR/><BR/>1999 - Penn State: 24 Texas A&M:0<BR/>in the Alamo Bowl<BR/><BR/>2005 - Penn State: 26 Florida State: 23 in the Orange Bowl<BR/><BR/>2006 - Penn State: 20 Tennessee: 10 in the Outback Bowl<BR/><BR/>2007 - Penn State: 24 Texas A&M: 17 in the Alamo Bowl<BR/><BR/>Penn State has had some modern success against the SEC, Big 12, ACC, and Pac 10 in bowl games. But you still seem to think that an undefeated Penn State is undeserving of a National Championship bid? Get off your high horse.BigTrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06243272850610742617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-66199021796426888062008-10-26T18:29:00.000-04:002008-10-26T18:29:00.000-04:00You can say that USC thumped the Ohio St. Defense ...You can say that USC thumped the Ohio St. Defense much worse than Penn St., but please remember that Penn St. destroyed an Oregon St team that beat USC. Also, Ohio St Defense playing at home is so much tougher than on the road.SFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11526832708037362566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-63375356224446767722008-10-26T16:34:00.000-04:002008-10-26T16:34:00.000-04:00Gimme a break Dan - when someone in the SEC beats ...Gimme a break Dan - when someone in the SEC beats someone - ANYONE - outside of the conference we can start arguing for a 1-loss SEC team in the championship game. This week: big east "power house" WVU DESTROYS that vaunted Auburn/SEC defense...and uh...DUKE beats Vandy on the road.the bankrupt museumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17576982920879091649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-68346019973122359752008-10-26T12:35:00.000-04:002008-10-26T12:35:00.000-04:00I'm sorry that beating Ohio State isn't as impress...I'm sorry that beating Ohio State isn't as impressive as losing to Ole Miss at HOMEJohnny bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03825230779882177065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-30295944400253314522008-10-26T12:14:00.000-04:002008-10-26T12:14:00.000-04:00Let me play TonyK to your Wilbon (or maybe you're ...Let me play TonyK to your Wilbon (or maybe you're LeBetard in this instance - zing!). But first let me state that I am a PSU alum and therefore obviously biased - but, I won't extend that bias any further than you do with Florida/SEC (double zing!).<BR/><BR/>I fall on the side of half-full, if not overflowing. That likely stems from experiencing the past horrors at Columbus, but also from the simple fact that they won, period. You said, "...I think that winning in Lawrence was almost as impressive as winning in Columbus." Really? What has Kansas shown you in Lawrence? The ability to lose big to ranked teams? The ability to beat FIU, Sam Houston, etc?<BR/><BR/>Digging into the stats of last night's game reveals that it was a very fast game; that is, Penn State only had 8 possessions and both teams played field position most of the night, constantly flipping the field. While I wasn't impressed with the offense, they never had a 3-and-out, didn't turn the ball over and the team overall committed no penalties. Moral victories, perhaps, but they scored when given the opportunity. Conversely, OSU only turned the ball over twice (with the final INT ending the game) and committed very few penalties, meaning PSU's offense mostly dealt with a long field. Again, I wanted to see much more from the offense, but both teams played rather error-free football, thereby limiting the overall amount of scoring opportunities.<BR/><BR/>You also said, "An unbeaten Penn State won't necessarily be better than a 1-loss Big 12 and a 1-loss SEC champ." OK, fair enough - that's a rather noncommittal statement. But, does it trump that Penn State is undefeated (for now) and a 1-loss SEC champ has, by definition, a loss? And who are we talking about here? Florida? They're more worthy because they lost to a mediocre Ole Miss team -- at The Swamp? Take care of your business -- especially at home (I'll include UGa here, too) -- and then you've got an argument. <BR/><BR/>I'll even take to task the notion that the SEC is a far superior league. The league's depth is always brought up, but the teams that make up that supposed depth -- team like LSU, Auburn, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt (this year) -- are very much being exposed as run of the mill teams. Beyond, 'Bama, UGa, and UF, I'm not impressed by the SEC.<BR/><BR/>We'll need to agree to disagree -- indeed the subjectivity related to human rankings in a sport with 100+ teams with an unbalanced schedule will always be sky high -- but that's what makes it fun. Enjoy the rest of the season. Go State!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14663826594530470266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-58569182712691713982008-10-26T12:13:00.000-04:002008-10-26T12:13:00.000-04:00You're "half-empty" on Penn State? Fucking shocker...You're "half-empty" on Penn State? Fucking shocker. If Florida had that same win you'd be gushing.The Mark Showhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03797641159879108200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-46798796965591527372008-10-26T10:41:00.000-04:002008-10-26T10:41:00.000-04:00Dan, being a PSU fan here, I gotta admit I'm a lit...Dan, being a PSU fan here, I gotta admit I'm a little biased towards getting the Nittany Lions into the NC game. With that said though, it's unfair to compare how USC played OSU to how Penn State played OSU. First and foremost, OSU did not have Beanie Wells playing and did not have Pryor playing the entire gaem against USC. Second, USC played OSU at home while PSU played in Columbus, arguably one of the top 5 hardest places to play. Thrid, if we're gonig by your logic here, then shouldn't we compare how PSU played Oregon State to how USC played Oregon State?Chuchu17https://www.blogger.com/profile/04909973418184708678noreply@blogger.com