tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post621320190632282401..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Thursday 03/29 A.M. Quickie:The Pleasure/Pain of ExpectationsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-29678329816737067312007-03-29T18:57:00.000-04:002007-03-29T18:57:00.000-04:00Congrats on the screen play danMy teams (as somebo...Congrats on the screen play dan<BR/><BR/>My teams (as somebody who grew up outside of Pittsburgh, PA)<BR/><BR/>MLB - Cubs beacuse we moved into a new house; got WGN for the first time and I spent the summer of '98 watching games and fell in love with the stadium, the team, sammy, and wood (the latter two makes me feel very dirty now)<BR/><BR/>NHL - Penguins because I'm from the area; and when I was 8 and 9 they won back to back cups. I got to watch Lemieux growing up along with Jagr and Ronnie Francis and now I get to watch Crosby, Staal, Malkin and Fluey.<BR/><BR/>College - Penn State Nittany Lions beacuse I went thereJohnny bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03825230779882177065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-72199431145246056442007-03-29T16:07:00.000-04:002007-03-29T16:07:00.000-04:00I was born and raised in Ohio and also bleed Scarl...I was born and raised in Ohio and also bleed Scarlet and Gray. My mom is a huge sports fan, and we ALWAYS had sports on the tube. We were ND fans as well, because my grandparents lived about 15 minutes away and influenced us of that. I used to sing their fight song as a kid. We all loved Joe Montana so we followed him to San Fran. I became a homer Cowboys fan because my best friend was but quickly came back to my senses. <BR/><BR/>I am an Ohio University alum, and always root for the Buckeyes in football. Sorry to admit that, but to me, OU was where I spent four great years and got an education, but a football school it's not. I always watch to see how they're doing, if they won and who the beat.<BR/><BR/>I am NOT one of those fans that feel that Ohio State has to win a Nat'l Championship every year...get to a BCS bowl game and win is all I care about. I enjoy the Big 10 and root for those schools too, especially Penn State.<BR/><BR/>On the professional level...hello, I live in the Cleveland area. Need I say more!? I do stay true to my Fudgies and Tribe though. Oh, forgot LBJ and his crew.<BR/><BR/>Congrats on the screenplay, Dan!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11071405721004631626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-82948093196302422212007-03-29T15:21:00.000-04:002007-03-29T15:21:00.000-04:00Sheik, it's a totally different set of circumstanc...Sheik, it's a totally different set of circumstances for BA v. MA. I think generally the BA is the team you stick with, but in that instance you're certainly allowed two teams to root for, as you have unquenstionably reasonable allegiances to each. At least that's the way I see that one. <BR/><BR/>Can't say I knew anyone who had a great name, but I knew someone named Lena Park, which backwards is Anel Krap, which I thought was really funny when I was 12.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-54745156139483966782007-03-29T15:10:00.000-04:002007-03-29T15:10:00.000-04:00Does everyone remember that Micheal Ray Richardson...Does everyone remember that Micheal Ray Richardson's name really is spelled wrong like that? I saw Dan got it right, not sure who else remembers him and the reversed-vowels.Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-2686587212979647782007-03-29T15:08:00.000-04:002007-03-29T15:08:00.000-04:00Chris I think Joakim goes overboard with the screa...Chris I think Joakim goes overboard with the screaming as well. I always liked guys who were very demure when they did something great like John Stockton. It amazes me that Noah doesn't get called for more fouls for all his yelling but I'm not going to complain. I figure if he thinks it helps his game then thats cool. If he is doing it to taunt then he should stop. Either way we will never know so I guess we have to live with it. Look at it this way though. When he gets to the association someone is going to smack him silly and that will be the end of that.The heroin sheikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16860402732123149415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-17387074719726935482007-03-29T15:02:00.000-04:002007-03-29T15:02:00.000-04:00I can't seem to find anything on vanilla dong. I ...I can't seem to find anything on vanilla dong. I know it's a day late for this, but someone that went to my hs had the REAL name of Chanel No. 5. AND she insisted on being called the whole name and not just Chanel.verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-5746223149276456682007-03-29T14:57:00.000-04:002007-03-29T14:57:00.000-04:00I know that when the cowboys play the bucs I alway...I know that when the cowboys play the bucs I always root for the bucs. My dad may have liked the boys but I lived in st pete so I have to root for the Bucs since they are from what I consider my hometown. Where I have problems is when my two college teams play. Obviously I got my BA at UF but I got my MA at UCF. Football and BBall are no brainers I go for the gators but I love to root for UCF in sports like golf and baseball because they actually stand a chance against the gators. What do y'all think bout this. <BR/><BR/>Oh yeah did anyone find out about vanilla dong?The heroin sheikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16860402732123149415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-48541537873825490852007-03-29T14:55:00.000-04:002007-03-29T14:55:00.000-04:00I might as well add my 2 cents to this entire "fan...I might as well add my 2 cents to this entire "fan" debate. Listen, who you root for and why is a personal decision. You live in California and want to root for the Steelers, fine by me. However, if you root for the Steelers and then when they have a couple bad seasons, or can't contend and then jump to a new team, then your fandom can be called into question. As I stated before, I went to Penn State and will stick with them in every sport (even though I can't ever see them being a player in Top 20 hoops) because of my attachment to the school. I could never jump to the Terrapins in hoop season because my wife is an alum (and they are a consistent big-time hoops program). Just like she would never root for Joepa and the boys in the fall. (In fact, we actively root against each other's alma mater so the other doesn't have smack-running privileges). <BR/><BR/>If you can't root for your own alma mater (if it is D-1 school) then to my way of thinking there is something wrong there. I may be the one who is mistaken. I just feel that to switch teams in mid-life doesn't make you the same type of fan that someone who is invested from the beginning. <BR/><BR/>I root for the Red Sox (because when I was young I really liked some of their players) and Steelers (local affiliation, although I'm right in the middle of Steelers/Eagles territory in Central PA) even though my father hates both teams (Phillies and Eagles are his favorites). I made those decisions at a young age and have stuck with them through the good times and bad. To me, that is what a fan is. Someone who suffers with the loses, celebrates in the wins, and has a long time emotional investment in the team. To switch from the place where you went to school, I don't know Dan, nothing personal at all but it doesn't seem right. I'm sure there are others who agree with that sentiment and that is part of the reason it seems like bandwagon jumping to many of us. <BR/><BR/>Two questions come to mind about your UF alliance. 1. If suddenly they were bad in football and basketball (unlikely I realize but indulge me) and Northwestern were contenders in both, would you be hyping the Wildcats as an alum of that school? 2. If both teams were playing for the National Championship (again, unlikely I know) who would you root for? See most of us can answer those questions without any conflict at all.<BR/><BR/>One last thing, your Gator love might be easier to take if you didn't go over-the-top with some of your statements about them. I won't review them because they've been ridiculed enough on here. Suffice it to say you need a more objective standard sometimes (I'd still love to see how you'd react if a Duke player pounded his chest and screamed every time he did anything remotely significant on a basketball court, like your girl Joakim Noah. You'd be going crazy ripping the kid, but not Jo Noah. With him it's all about his enthusiasm for the game. Uh, okay, but only for a UF homer. I personally find him more annoying than Redick and that is something I'd never thought I'd say.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12909329433092651791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-9056670335216179322007-03-29T14:42:00.001-04:002007-03-29T14:42:00.001-04:00Michael Ray....I wonder if he would be offended if...Michael Ray....<BR/><BR/>I wonder if he would be offended if somebody said they were backing Georgetown because they have "big time black players".Beetlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02410305706883429994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-80128886031509571852007-03-29T14:42:00.000-04:002007-03-29T14:42:00.000-04:00todd, I don't think it's important when you like a...todd, I don't think it's important when you like a team (particularly a college team), it's why. You WENT to BC therefore you have every right to praise the accolades. Hell, I happily and proudly watch the Flutie game reruns though I didn't enter BC until the late '90s. <BR/><BR/>I also agree with you about the school you WENT to taking precedent over a team you root for. As I stated earlier, I rooted and cheered for Syracuse when they won the title, but I will always take BC over 'cuse when they play against each other. (By the way, I grew up 40 miles east of Syracuse).verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-63237987159864177612007-03-29T14:33:00.000-04:002007-03-29T14:33:00.000-04:00Verbal, looks like we posted more or less at the s...Verbal, looks like we posted more or less at the same time. Glad you agree with me though. I guess I'm a disappointment as a BC fan that I came after they won the National Championship in hockey, eh?<BR/><BR/>As for the OSU/Miami debate, I think this brings up an interesting question. If your childhood/"adult decision" favorite team plays against your school, who do you root for? <BR/><BR/>Personally, I think it's gotta be the school YOU went to. So Dan, what happens if Northwestern were to play Florida?ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-71880852576808572202007-03-29T14:29:00.000-04:002007-03-29T14:29:00.000-04:00Thanks Dan, I can only hope that one day I will ha...Thanks Dan, I can only hope that one day I will have a child so that we can have "Our Team" to root for. One of my fondest memories was being 6 or 7 and fishing with my grandfather with a bamboo pole listening to braves games on the AM. To have memories like this with your child, nephew siblings or whomever is what makes sports so great. Of course the best memory will always be when your team wins but I want my kid to be D-ray fan so he has low expectations.The heroin sheikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16860402732123149415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-33592257887799274972007-03-29T14:27:00.002-04:002007-03-29T14:27:00.002-04:00I'd lived in ohio since 2nd grade. loli know OSU ...I'd lived in ohio since 2nd grade. lol<BR/>i know OSU fever. <BR/><BR/>But when Miami plays Ohio State, I'm rooting for the Red and White.<BR/><BR/><BR/>And, actually, I'd be the minority. Ohio State has plenty of fans who went to school elsewhere in the state.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-43530995686071094422007-03-29T14:27:00.001-04:002007-03-29T14:27:00.001-04:00As a Pats fan old enough to clearly remember 1981 ...As a Pats fan old enough to clearly remember 1981 2-14, 1990 1-15, and 1992 2-14, sprinkled with a few exciting seasons including the miraculous playoff run in 1986, the SB team of 1996....etc. <BR/>I can tell you that I would not trade the right here and now for ANYTHING. <BR/>The pain and disrespect has been washed away. The Pats are now perhaps the model franchise in all of sports! Sure, losing to the Colts was disappointing, but it was satisfying to know that my team participated in one of the greatest playoff games ever played. (an honor that used to be reserved for the Niners, Cowboys, and Steelers of the world). Now the Pats are forcefully restocked for another run, and I could not be happier. Sure, maybe it won't pan out, but it is satisfying to know that the proper pieces are all in place. I mean, would you rather go all in with a pair of 10s, or with Aces laid over Kings?Beetlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02410305706883429994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-83639654889126519032007-03-29T14:27:00.000-04:002007-03-29T14:27:00.000-04:00hahaha...Todd, I didn't see your comment until aft...hahaha...Todd, I didn't see your comment until after I entered mine. It's almost identical (in spirit anyway).verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-52884042192829624392007-03-29T14:25:00.001-04:002007-03-29T14:25:00.001-04:00Come on, even in the Ron Zook years Florida was ve...Come on, even in the Ron Zook years Florida was very good (even if they underachieved). Florida was still/always will be a powerhouse football program unless something Alabama-like happens, and even then Alabama is still powerful enough to entice a top level coach. It is very clear to me that Dan was simply looking to upgrade from Northwestern to a better school. As Todd said, if Dan's *only* reason for becoming a Florida fan is his wife, it's extremely self-aggrandizing to say that it's an adult decision and belittle the connection locality and family to sports teams in the process. I reserve the right to change my opinion if/when Dan gives me a good reason to, but until then I'm of the opinion that he is a glory-hunting turncoat. <BR/><BR/>Of course all of this would be completely irrelevant if he didn't pump up Florida at every opportunity. And it doesn't help that the gods against tempting fate don't respond with a heart-breaking loss for the Gators.verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-91350032262616401692007-03-29T14:25:00.000-04:002007-03-29T14:25:00.000-04:00While I'm not dismissing any of the points Sheik o...While I'm not dismissing any of the points Sheik or anyone else made, it is kind of funny how the only people really defending Dan are Gators fans... <BR/><BR/>All I was trying to do was to point out the inconsistency of Dan making the point about his being an "adult decision" to hop onto his wife's team, as versus a kid's having teams "dictated" to them. <BR/><BR/>Again, I'd love to hear more from Dan over the decision process of his "adult decision", and if he considered other teams, etc. <BR/><BR/>But the bottom line is, I think most of us would appreciate toning down the homerism just a tad. It's okay to be a homer, but I know there are times where I think it gets taken a bit far on this blog... like I consciously avoided this blog the 2 days after Florida won the National Championship in football... and I could care less about Ohio St.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-87985288850483441872007-03-29T14:21:00.000-04:002007-03-29T14:21:00.000-04:00Michael Ray Richardson-I, as a Jew, was offended. ...Michael Ray Richardson-<BR/><BR/>I, as a Jew, was offended. You can say that he used the word "crafty" and that isn't an insult and you might be right. But he went into that speech to try to hide the original thing that he said that was offensive. The phrase "I have big time Jew lawyers" is what the fuss is about.GuyInTheCornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281686811471557576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-76539985675750354722007-03-29T13:55:00.000-04:002007-03-29T13:55:00.000-04:00Dan said he has been a fan for 5 years so you cant...Dan said he has been a fan for 5 years so you cant say he is jumping on the bandwagon since we had Ron Zook 5 years ago. The basketball team was doing well at that time but not at his level. He isnt a fairweather. Go GatorsChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01363167532307081862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-15985001579290297402007-03-29T13:36:00.000-04:002007-03-29T13:36:00.000-04:00Sheik: Couldn't have said it better myself. Very w...Sheik: Couldn't have said it better myself. Very well done.Dan Shanoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126386161198401693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-45151164605413066952007-03-29T13:34:00.000-04:002007-03-29T13:34:00.000-04:00rafael...haha!hey man, if i remember correctly...y...rafael...haha!<BR/><BR/>hey man, if i remember correctly...you weren't born in ohio. you just don't understand if you didn't grow up here. i love miami through and through...but when they played OSU my frosh year and 2 years ago, i was alllllll OSU.<BR/><BR/>it's the same when dayton plays them every year in basketball. i guess i am in the minority!RevScottDeMangeMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220843774217781967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-51640346675133080642007-03-29T13:20:00.000-04:002007-03-29T13:20:00.000-04:00*takes revscott and puts him lower on the fan tote...*takes revscott and puts him lower on the fan totem pole*<BR/><BR/>Miami grad that bleeds scarlet and gray. *gag* :prafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-25853670345448113082007-03-29T13:16:00.000-04:002007-03-29T13:16:00.000-04:00We all have our personal reasons for liking teams ...We all have our personal reasons for liking teams be it proximity to a team, attending school there, liking certain players, or simply having played on a team with that name( why I like the bucs even though I grew up in california and didn't move to tampa til I was 16.) I think though that we as fans have different experiences due to how we came to liking a team.<BR/><BR/>If your team is the one you followed with your dad then there is going to be a more personal attachment than say if you started liking a team in adulthood for whatever reason. Dan may be a gator fan because of his wife but his experience as a fan will never compare to mine because both my dad and I are alums and I was even wearing clothe FSU colored diapers to shit in. The beauty of this is that maybe young Gabe will grow up to like the gators because of Dan and they will have an entirely unique and personal fandom similar to mine with my dad but altogether different. Such is the beauty of being a fan. OH yeah and don't forget that five years ago the gators we just above average in the SEC so it isn't like Dan started slurping on the best team in the SEC at the time.The heroin sheikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16860402732123149415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-2718804518447945572007-03-29T13:13:00.000-04:002007-03-29T13:13:00.000-04:00I know a guy in my home town who "made the adult c...I know a guy in my home town who "made the adult choice" of backing the Yankees and Duke basketball, despite being in a small town in southwest Wisconsin and having no ties whatsoever to either of those teams. It makes me ill, which is why I have to disagree with Dan and his "choice" of fandom. It reeks of bandwagon jumping, even if he sticks with the Gators for life. <BR/><BR/>I will stick to my home state teams. I have always been a Packer/Brewer/Bucks fan, and I am a Badger alum, so those are the teams I care about. I am not a fan of them because they are good--I am a fan because I feel like they are MINE. People like Dan can't say that, no matter the extent of the fandom.Luke Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15794556619520450782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-74494861716515840392007-03-29T13:00:00.001-04:002007-03-29T13:00:00.001-04:00As a life-long Bengals/Reds fan and an alumna of W...As a life-long Bengals/Reds fan and an alumna of Western KY, I have a great deal of experience with "mediocre" expectations and there are some advantages. For example from 1988-1990 I was in heaven; the Bengals went to XXIII and the Reds won the WS. And in 2002 I was f-ing in ecstasy when my beloved Hilltoppers won the Div. I-AA football Nat'l Champ. However I have had endure a very long time with losing teams to get that appreciation. But I think that I would prefere it to being a fan of perenial contenders, because there is less disappointment. Not to mention it makes you feel morally superior to fans of better teams. :)thistlewarriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12933316654294968024noreply@blogger.com