tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post805609376965184455..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Tuesday 04/10 A.M. Quickie:Starting to Pick Things Up...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-42480204766616419442007-04-11T08:46:00.000-04:002007-04-11T08:46:00.000-04:00People love the sport of Football. Where else are...People love the sport of Football. Where else are they going to watch it? CFL? Arena? People won't stop watching the NFL over individual incidents, but they will want the NFL to boot out the bad eggs (unless they play on your team...)<BR/><BR/>@Todd<BR/>The NFL isn't a court. They don't need to wait for verdicts. And they shouldn't. Henry and PacMan put themselves in situations that make the league look bad, that's reason enough.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-51543665996430344722007-04-10T20:23:00.000-04:002007-04-10T20:23:00.000-04:006 homeruns, 15 rbis for A-rod. I wonder when Dan ...6 homeruns, 15 rbis for A-rod. I wonder when Dan will man up and mention him.Kurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14615862536072857322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-7489005104743835982007-04-10T17:08:00.000-04:002007-04-10T17:08:00.000-04:00I'd bet Bush would get an 80% approval rating on f...I'd bet Bush would get an 80% approval rating on foxnews.com or Clinton would get one on cnn.com, so I don't think it is statistically significant. ESPN.com readers are more than casual fans -- particularly people who are doing it in the middle of the day when they should be working.Natsfan74https://www.blogger.com/profile/02774593132826810650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-6110262893026915222007-04-10T16:38:00.001-04:002007-04-10T16:38:00.001-04:00The only thing that could destroy the NFL is a lab...The only thing that could destroy the NFL is a labor dispute... or Gary Bettman.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-65813436023052834782007-04-10T16:38:00.000-04:002007-04-10T16:38:00.000-04:00It might not tell the whole story, but when over 5...It might not tell the whole story, but when over <B>56,000</B> respondents answer, and 80% answer the same, that's a whole lot of people regardless of fan level/status to be agreeing it's a non-issue to gaining said respondent's market share. (Yes there could be repeat respondents, skewed demographics, etc., but there is still statistical significance there). It still staggers me.Jingoisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01269679565181077961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-48704857115847670432007-04-10T16:25:00.000-04:002007-04-10T16:25:00.000-04:00The polling results on NFL player violations don't...The polling results on NFL player violations don't tell the complete story, I don't think. I mean, first -- the poll is online in a major sports web destination, so people who read the site/ answer the questions are more likely to be the hard core fan base that is harder to sway than the casual fan (who the NFL most needs to appeal to for growth outside the Superbowl). <BR/><BR/>But as a sports junkie, I don't know that I care a lot about what players do off the field. But if I had a son who really wanted a PacMan Jones jersey, I might change my mind. If my niece asks for spinners for her toy Escalade like Henry, I might change my mind. So I might be in that 80+% on an ESPN poll, but I don't think that the poll numbers tell the whole story.Natsfan74https://www.blogger.com/profile/02774593132826810650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-36953418332158601312007-04-10T16:16:00.000-04:002007-04-10T16:16:00.000-04:00So, what sports fans are saying is...That's right,...So, what sports fans are saying is...<BR/><BR/>That's right, as fans of the NFL, we do NOT care if the players get hurt.<BR/><BR/>We'll be there.<BR/><BR/>We do NOT care if the players use PEDs.<BR/><BR/>We'll be there.<BR/><BR/>We do NOT care if DirectTV's Sunday Ticket screws everyone this side of the NFL Network.<BR/>We'll be there.<BR/><BR/>Off the field arrests?<BR/><BR/>Ha! Less than half of us are bothered by players' personal conduct so...<BR/><BR/>We'll be there.<BR/><BR/>That's the conclusion I draw from an ESPN.com SportsNation poll, answered by over 56,000 visitors. Observe also...<BR/><I>Have off-field incidents and arrests in recent years involving NFL players made you less likely to follow the NFL?</I><BR/><BR/><B>80.3% No</B><BR/>19.7% Yes<BR/><BR/>So what this tells me is this... the issues the NFL thinks it has are really <B>non-issues</B>. <BR/><BR/>The League is so entrenched in its fan base's psyche, I think Roger Goodell himself could be arrested, and the NFL's approval rating would soar. Actually, that's probably a bad example... I doubt fans even care what the Commish does or says. Maybe if, say Manning or Brady were arraigned on 1st degree manslaughter charges you might have a drop in ratings/viewership/sponsorships/retail revenue/etc.<BR/><BR/><I>Might.</I><BR/><BR/>In our society, has the NFL become that powerful?<BR/><BR/>Untouchable?<BR/><BR/>Omnipotent?<BR/><BR/>Is there even an adjective that can do justice describing the League's trance on the public?<BR/><BR/>Or has our value system just plummeted <I>so</I> low that you can physically injure yourself, take drugs, injure others both in competition and by deliberate criminal acts, and be arrested for any variety of reasons, but as long as you are an NFL player, "John Q. Public" will watch you, cheer for you, heck, even buy tickets to your games, purchase your damn jersey, bobble head doll, and a poster for a kids' room.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if Roger Goodell even needs to save his League's persona if that is the type of positive fan response the NFL gets in spite of itself.<BR/><BR/><I>Scary.</I>Jingoisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01269679565181077961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-30132608853177587882007-04-10T16:08:00.000-04:002007-04-10T16:08:00.000-04:00EARLY MLB DUD - Seattle's PitchingEARLY MLB DUD - Seattle's PitchingCMFosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291296862033162143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-15476011104234944592007-04-10T15:59:00.000-04:002007-04-10T15:59:00.000-04:00and Larry Birkhead is the father....and Larry Birkhead is the father....Natsfan74https://www.blogger.com/profile/02774593132826810650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-51313860227375969952007-04-10T15:41:00.000-04:002007-04-10T15:41:00.000-04:00rollins can suck me. he deserves all the bad thin...rollins can suck me. he deserves all the bad things in life to happen to him, and only him. he is lamer than entourage.Ken Dynamohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061339942941183172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-32716618665677867532007-04-10T15:24:00.000-04:002007-04-10T15:24:00.000-04:00The suspension for Pacman will not be lessoned and...The suspension for Pacman will not be lessoned and according to what I have been reading there is no gaurantee he will be reinstated when the year is up. He has to follow all the rules laid out by the NFL and apply for reinstatement.CMFosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291296862033162143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-14859821699645198412007-04-10T15:14:00.000-04:002007-04-10T15:14:00.000-04:00Re: colts arrests:http://colts.aolsportsblog.com/2...Re: colts arrests:<BR/><BR/>http://colts.aolsportsblog.com/2007/04/04/these-colts-arrests-are-starting-to-pile-up/thistlewarriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12933316654294968024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-15516649894271437682007-04-10T15:05:00.000-04:002007-04-10T15:05:00.000-04:00This J.D. Drew... he's pretty good at baseball [wh...This J.D. Drew... he's pretty good at baseball [when he plays]...ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-88096256886330645062007-04-10T14:53:00.000-04:002007-04-10T14:53:00.000-04:00I wouldn't know thistlewarrior, I'm "just" a casua...I wouldn't know thistlewarrior, I'm "just" a casual NFL fan. I don't really pay attention to the league in the offseason unless a big story comes up.verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-45656125835528027722007-04-10T14:51:00.000-04:002007-04-10T14:51:00.000-04:00I see your points Natsfan, but I think that it is ...I see your points Natsfan, but I think that it is possible that the league checked with the NFLPA about the length of the suspensions and will overturn a small portion upon appeal. This would allow the league to establish a harsh precedent and allow the players to feel as they're being "fairly" treated. Personally, I don't think the penalties are too harsh because a professional athlete is getting ridiculously well-payed doing something that myself and a lot of people pay money to do (i.e., play sports). I just would be surprised if the suspension lengths stick.<BR/><BR/>As for ARod, the issue that fans (I) have is that he "compiles numbers". In other words, he gets his HR and RBI when they are not necessarily needed to win a particular game, like the 2 run HR yesterday, but doesn't produce when the team needs it most...which doesn't necessarily mean an April/May thing, but a clutch situation at all times of the year thing. But more instances like his walk-off GS from Saturday will effectively kill this complaint.verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-33759266973103903912007-04-10T14:45:00.000-04:002007-04-10T14:45:00.000-04:00verbal,It has already started again this year. The...verbal,<BR/><BR/>It has already started again this year. The Colts have had 3 or 4 guys arrested for DUI, etc. since the Super Bowl, haven't they?thistlewarriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12933316654294968024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-34756247368043196812007-04-10T14:38:00.000-04:002007-04-10T14:38:00.000-04:00A-Rod = Mr. April. Once we call him a stud after ...A-Rod = Mr. April. Once we call him a stud after labor day, I will buy the hype.... <BR/><BR/>The NFLPA probably won't fight too hard on appeal for Henry or Jones. I'm sure the commissioner scoped that out before being too harsh. What are they going to appeal, that it is ok to do wreckless and criminal things that endanger the player, the fans, and the game in general? In this instance, it is truly all for one and one for all. A continued series of black eyes on the league could hurt revenue, which would then affect the salary cap, etc. As fans, the only vote we get is with our wallet, and that's the vote the NFL doesn't want to lose.Natsfan74https://www.blogger.com/profile/02774593132826810650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-27982939203751281432007-04-10T14:35:00.000-04:002007-04-10T14:35:00.000-04:00But isn't this the same A-Rod that Yankees fans co...But isn't this the same A-Rod that Yankees fans complain about? The one that shows up in April and May but not in the playoffs?<BR/><BR/>Don't get me wrong, I think it's stupid that some Yankees fans boo him, but isn't this part of their argument?ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-31607650484707205442007-04-10T14:31:00.000-04:002007-04-10T14:31:00.000-04:00Arod - Stud of the year thus far!Six games into a ...Arod - Stud of the year thus far!<BR/><BR/>Six games into a new season, it's hard to believe this is the same Alex Rodriguez who got dropped to eighth in the batting order last October, the same Rodriguez who gets booed on a semi-regular basis at Yankee Stadium.<BR/>He entered Monday leading the majors in home runs and RBI and added a prodigious opposite-field shot off Sidney Ponson in New York's 8-2 victory over the Twins at the Metrodome.<BR/><BR/>Rodriguez is batting .360 with five home runs and 13 RBI. Until now, no Yankees player had ever hit five homers in the season's first six games.Patriots64https://www.blogger.com/profile/15787034853382760764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-23245510952737405672007-04-10T14:21:00.000-04:002007-04-10T14:21:00.000-04:00That destroys the Titans next year. They better ho...That destroys the Titans next year. They better hope that Ginn drops to them at 19 because their return game is going to be dreadful next year. It obviously also hurts the secondary because he was on his way to becoming a good cover corner. This is huge because the Titans did not make any huge splashes in free agency and the best corner in the draft is Leon Hall and he is a top 10 guy.<BR/><BR/>Whenever the newspaper and radio guys discuss Pacman here in Nashville they always mention that he has never been convicted of anything since he was drafted in 2005. He was convicted while at West Virginia though.futurelegendvinceyounghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02175243502967953702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-26576573973141527042007-04-10T14:08:00.000-04:002007-04-10T14:08:00.000-04:00The suspensions will be shortened on appeal. It's...The suspensions will be shortened on appeal. It's clear that this was entirely to send a message to these two players and everyone else around the league. The Bengals were an embarrassment to the league last season and the commissioner does not want that to happen again this year.verbal97https://www.blogger.com/profile/02282148454169067288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-77788099714655966242007-04-10T14:07:00.000-04:002007-04-10T14:07:00.000-04:00July 13, 2005: Two weeks before training camp is s...July 13, 2005: Two weeks before training camp is scheduled to begin, Jones is arrested by Nashville police at Titans headquarters. He is charged with assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Sept. 5, 2005: Six days before the season opener at Pittsburgh, Jones attends the annual Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. Later, Jones has a loud, verbal tantrum when told he must wait in line for his vehicle, according to witnesses. He does not pay for valet service. <BR/><BR/> <B> Oct. 25, 2005: Five days before the eighth game of the season, it is alleged by the state of West Virginia that Jones has violated the terms of his probation, going back to a suspended sentence after a barroom brawl during his freshman year at college. A judge extends his probation 90 days. </B><BR/><BR/><BR/>Feb. 6, 2006: Jones is arrested in Fayetteville, Ga., and charged with possession of marijuana. He is handcuffed after throwing a punch at an officer, according to police, and charged with a felony count of obstruction and two misdemeanors of obstructing police. The drug charge is dismissed in January 2007, although his mother Deborah and a friend, Marcus Bowens, are convicted of possession of marijuana. Jones will appear in court later this month to face the obstruction charges. <BR/><BR/><BR/><B> March 23, 2006: A Fayette County drug task force SWAT team serves a search warrant at the Georgia home Jones bought for his mother. When Jones steps out of his Corvette, a drug investigator notices that the car reeks of marijuana. Jones admits to police he has been smoking and that it will be several weeks before he is able to pass a drug test. </B><BR/><BR/>April 18, 2006: According to Nashville police, who cite surveillance camera footage, Jones is one of 12 people gathered at a gas station when a fight breaks out and gunshots are fired. <BR/><BR/><BR/><B> Aug. 25, 2006: Jones is arrested in Murfreesboro, Tenn., for disorderly conduct and public intoxication. At the Sweetwater Saloon, he is accused of assault by Toya Garth, who says Jones spit in her face and she spit back. A judge sentences Jones six months probation provided he stays out of further trouble. </B><BR/><BR/><BR/>Oct. 26, 2006: Jones is cited for misdemeanor assault at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub, where he allegedly spits in the face of a female college student. He is suspended for one game by the Titans, on Nov. 5 at Jacksonville. <BR/><BR/>Feb. 19, 2007: Jones is present when an early morning brawl breaks out at Minxx Gentlemen's Club in Las Vegas. Three people are shot. Club co-owner Robert Susnar claims the shooter -- still at large -- acted on Jones' behalf. Jones denies this. No charges have been brought against Jones. <BR/><BR/><BR/>___________________________________<BR/><BR/>That's only 2 convictions since he joined the NFL (plus one situation where I can only assume he pleaded guilty or no contest.) <BR/>Plus at least on more arrest before college. So, 5 was wrong. Damn this misleading data.NAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17958843468425299776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-32497595981184980232007-04-10T13:55:00.000-04:002007-04-10T13:55:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Patriots64https://www.blogger.com/profile/15787034853382760764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-21026593866995746822007-04-10T13:53:00.000-04:002007-04-10T13:53:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-22979875697008812972007-04-10T13:51:00.000-04:002007-04-10T13:51:00.000-04:00This is the problem, the NFL refuses to say exactl...This is the problem, the NFL refuses to say exactly why they suspended for the season (Though, I do think he'll be back in week 10 as long he's not arrested or convicted in the Vegas thing). I'm sure it was partially the Vegas shooting, but we don't know if it's the drugs, the lying, or just the 9 arrests and 5 convictions in 2 seasons. <BR/>I agree that the wiretap of a drug dealer isn't the best testimony, but it IS absolutely embarrassing for the NFL that a drug dealer is talking about the drug issues of one of their players.<BR/>Also, I know the NFL wanted to take care of this before the draft, as to give the Titans a change to draft accordingly, which means that they couldn't take a wait and see attitude to the Vegas stuff, which is unfortunate.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I agree with the suspension, what do you think the NFL should have done...NAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17958843468425299776noreply@blogger.com