tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post8230047212873000560..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: No. 23: Who's the Greatest?(Besides the Obvious)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-92221409965518164842007-02-26T09:41:00.000-05:002007-02-26T09:41:00.000-05:00I'll even offer up Magic, mat....Magic was a bette...I'll even offer up Magic, mat....<BR/><BR/>Magic was a better dribbler, passer, rebounder, and floor leader than Jordan. Jordan gets a slight edge in shooting (Magic got much better as his career went on, but had a bigger curve to catch up to) and played better defense.<BR/><BR/>Here's a big difference between Jordan and Johnson. When Michael Jordan made a great play, Michael Jordan scored the hoop. When Magic made a great play, maybe he scored the points, or maybe it was Worthy, or AC, or Kareem, or even Rambis. Anyone could have gotten the points off one of Magic's great plays.Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-3573108305690923092007-02-25T09:45:00.000-05:002007-02-25T09:45:00.000-05:00For NASCAR, a better source would be from NASCAR.c...For NASCAR, a better source would be <A HREF="http://www.nascar.com/kyn/nbtn/cup/data/car/car_number_23.html" REL="nofollow">from NASCAR.com</A> - complete history, not just back to 2000 like Jayski.<BR/><BR/>Jimmy Spencer is the only one to do an extended run in the car - five seasons, with two finishes in the top 20 - so he may be, by default, the best.<BR/><BR/>Only one guy (Frank Mundy) has won, though, in it - in 1951. In a Studebaker of all things.JB*https://www.blogger.com/profile/15473928582656957845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-12958939176955517042007-02-24T16:09:00.000-05:002007-02-24T16:09:00.000-05:00For the NHL, Bob Gainey (23 for the Habs) would be...For the NHL, Bob Gainey (23 for the Habs) would be my pick.hackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01901486335148736583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-38967898747898121632007-02-24T10:19:00.000-05:002007-02-24T10:19:00.000-05:00Brian in oxford, either you are saying that jordan...Brian in oxford, either you are saying that jordan isn't the "best athlete" by some technicality like Oscar Robertson or Dr. J was a better "athlete" in the true sense of the word or you are insane.<BR/><BR/>Jordan is by far the greatest basketball player ever. He's the reason the game is being played the way it is. He absolutely revolutionized the game. He was above the sport.<BR/><BR/>Ruth, Gretzky, and Pele are the only ones with legitimate arguments. I'd argue until my face turned blue for Jordan over Gretzky and Pele, but if you wanted to make an argument about Ruth, I'd accept it. My personal pick is Jordan over Ruth because I got to witness it first hand thousands of times.Precourthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13128335172041536732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-62601262191165266832007-02-23T23:52:00.000-05:002007-02-23T23:52:00.000-05:00First off...Hester is 21. But he's still awesome.M...First off...Hester is 21. But he's still awesome.<BR/><BR/>Most have all been said. 23 actually isn't a big number in other sports. Jordan made it. However, baseball: Kirk Gibson<BR/><BR/><BR/>vivalavendittelli@blogspot.comAntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08403139284548341268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-46129848942298521252007-02-23T16:52:00.000-05:002007-02-23T16:52:00.000-05:00Dare I go into the, Jordan wasn't even the best at...Dare I go into the, Jordan wasn't even the best athlete in his own sport, let alone all professional sports? Nor did he even stick with 23 his whole career!<BR/><BR/>*sigh*<BR/><BR/>okay, I'll give that he was better than Frank Ramsey.Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-76145974414239868202007-02-23T16:26:00.000-05:002007-02-23T16:26:00.000-05:00Mike Skinner Nascar #23?I am not a fan, just tryin...Mike Skinner Nascar #23?<BR/><BR/>I am not a fan, just trying to look outside the box, this websight, http://www.jayski.com/teams/past/23past.htm has the whole history of the car. I have no idea if Kenny Wallace or Dave Blaney are better #23.rukrusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02005928545753221172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-50437692831188782742007-02-23T16:01:00.000-05:002007-02-23T16:01:00.000-05:00From mbtn.comMets #23A true modern Mets mystery is...From mbtn.com<BR/><BR/>Mets #23<BR/><BR/>A true modern Mets mystery is figuring what got into Bernard Gilkey in 1996 -- or, even trickier, what got out of him in 1997 and '98. Bernard turned in one of the great all-time performances by a Met in '96 (.317-30 and team records of 117 RBI and 44 doubles) then fell flat on his face when it was apparent that only half that output probably meant playoff appearances in '97 and '98. Boo. <BR/><BR/>Original Met Joe Christopher (1962-65) turned in a .300-16-76 performance in 1964; Doug Flynn (1977-81, right) was a deserving Gold-Glove winner at second base in 1980 but never hit much. The Mets were optimistic that Brian Giles (1982-83) would also be a Gold-Glover at second base, but a lack of a bat scorched his career as well. <BR/><BR/>Others: Bill Murphy (1966); Bob Heise (1967-68); Leroy Stanton (1970-71); Dave Schneck (1972-73); Teddy Martinez (1974, he switched from 17 under pressure from Felix Millan and because 23 was worn by his hero, Tito Fuentes. The move forced Schneck to take 16, which was Millan's 1973 number); Jesus Alou (1976); Leon Brown (1976); Chris Donnels (1991-92); Tim Bogar (1993-95); and Jermaine Allensworth (1998). Middle reliever Pat Mahomes (1999-2000, above) was one of those pleasant surprises every playoff team has. His 8-0 record in '99 included no small wins. Alas, he pulled a Gilkey in 2000. Brian Rose was a last-minute opening day roster addition in 2001, and Matt Lawton (2001) took it over at the trade deadline. Waiver pick-up McKay Christensen joined the club early in 2002, and Esix Snead joined at expansion in September. <BR/><BR/>Jason Phillips made the 2003 opening roster thanks to Mike Piazza's suspension and soon after took over at first base following Mo Vaughn's career-ending injuries. He promptly whacked 11 home runs, hit 25 doubles and went .298/.373/.442 overall. His 2004 season was a full-blown disaster and he was dealt to Los Angeles for lefty Kazuhisa Ishii, who similarly exasperated his former employers and takes on a rebound challenge in 2005. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>So, no honors for Mets wearing this number.rukrusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02005928545753221172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-17084409355025505512007-02-23T16:00:00.000-05:002007-02-23T16:00:00.000-05:00Weird I didn't get to read Shanoff until later thi...Weird I didn't get to read Shanoff until later this afternoon (usually I read him as soon as I wake up) and I'm reading the 23 post and I get to the end and there is 23 comments. SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOKY? No you're right I guess not. <BR/><BR/>Every team in every sport should retire Michael Jordans number. No one in the history of sports has ever been more closely associated with his number than Jordan and was the greatest professional athlete in history.Precourthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13128335172041536732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-34123849242003320432007-02-23T15:34:00.000-05:002007-02-23T15:34:00.000-05:00I second alexanbo; best #23 football has to be bec...I second alexanbo; best #23 football has to be becksDougOLishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00088443520858068749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-21813025753401546892007-02-23T15:15:00.000-05:002007-02-23T15:15:00.000-05:00pat riley wanted to start a trend ala jackie robin...pat riley wanted to start a trend ala jackie robinson to retire the 23 by all nba teams.John Paul Manahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02470920555760012526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-61074859802982902772007-02-23T15:03:00.000-05:002007-02-23T15:03:00.000-05:00Brian, I can think of examples of guys wearing wei...Brian, I can think of examples of guys wearing weird numbers in the NBA, but usually they're just temporary. Webber's wearing 84 right now (the year he graduated from college? haha), and Antoine Walker wore 88 when he came back to the Celtics since Al Jefferson had 8 then.professorperkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08865083162734617560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-50907385050136037272007-02-23T14:23:00.000-05:002007-02-23T14:23:00.000-05:00Ryno was the best- I got to see his HOF induction ...Ryno was the best- I got to see his HOF induction and it was a great day. It was also another reminder on how much Joe Morgan sucks (he alledgely boycotted because he didn't think 23 deserved to be in the Hall).Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759059813818382920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-26246722936380972182007-02-23T13:57:00.000-05:002007-02-23T13:57:00.000-05:00I remember Ivan Calderon lumbering around right fi...I remember Ivan Calderon lumbering around right field one year for the Red Sox as 23.<BR/><BR/>But that number belong to Dennis Boyd, who shoulda come in to relieve Bruce Hurst in a certain game 7, not Al Nipper!Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-5845560857579522292007-02-23T13:55:00.000-05:002007-02-23T13:55:00.000-05:00Ben blame wiki not me, I took that info straight f...Ben blame wiki not me, I took that info straight from there site.CMFosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291296862033162143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-2105389908179998132007-02-23T13:52:00.000-05:002007-02-23T13:52:00.000-05:00David Beckham is 23 for RealDavid Beckham is 23 for Realalexanbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734099172320947325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-52013311063027900752007-02-23T13:42:00.000-05:002007-02-23T13:42:00.000-05:00As 23 is the number you give to your 'go-to' guy i...As 23 is the number you give to your 'go-to' guy in basketball, so 'Dallas' is the 'go-to' name when talking about strippers. Have you ever seen a stripper named 'Dallas' that wasnt the hottest girl in the place?Mikepcflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08980600874603719777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-59712459165948408992007-02-23T13:36:00.001-05:002007-02-23T13:36:00.001-05:00Does the NBA allow players to have numbers where t...Does the NBA allow players to have numbers where the sum of the digits is greater than 10? I know Rodman had 73 and 91, but in theory, refs could hold up all 10 fingers, and spread them apart to act as a space between place values. Even Quinn Buckner wore 28 backing up Dennis Johnson.<BR/><BR/>It just seems like you never see a 39 or 58 in the NBA.<BR/><BR/>And I want someone to wear a 3-digit number. Or a decimal. Fractions would look stupid, no?Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-19917857849026017712007-02-23T13:36:00.000-05:002007-02-23T13:36:00.000-05:00I remember when Jordan retired Dennis Miller said ...I remember when Jordan retired Dennis Miller said they should just call the number "Jordan" so when counting you would go 21, 22, Jordan, 24. That was one of the few things that Miller said that made me crack up.futurelegendvinceyounghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10321227142567411487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-23420014825374684462007-02-23T13:33:00.000-05:002007-02-23T13:33:00.000-05:00why did the heat retire Jordan's number?why did the heat retire Jordan's number?BLUEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01547964589052140083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-15286404090808513912007-02-23T13:30:00.000-05:002007-02-23T13:30:00.000-05:00Retired #23'sMLB: * Ryne Sandberg - Cubs * D...Retired #23's<BR/>MLB:<BR/> * Ryne Sandberg - Cubs<BR/> * Don Mattingly - Yankees<BR/> * Willie Horton - Tigers<BR/><BR/>NHL:<BR/> * Bob Nystrom - New York Islanders, April 1, 1995<BR/><BR/>NBA:<BR/> * Lou Hudson, Atlanta Hawks<BR/> * Frank Ramsey, Boston Celtics<BR/> * Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls<BR/> * Calvin Murphy, Houston Rockets<BR/> * Michael Jordan, Miami Heat<BR/> * John Williamson, New Jersey Nets<BR/><BR/>NFL: NONECMFosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291296862033162143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-70045015334345972822007-02-23T13:17:00.000-05:002007-02-23T13:17:00.000-05:00Who is the best current #23 player in the MLB righ...Who is the best current #23 player in the MLB right now?<BR/><BR/>The only guy I can think of off the top of my head is Jermaine Dye. There are surely more out there that I'm too lazy to look up.Megahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407561625097289402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-79280687734443403092007-02-23T13:16:00.000-05:002007-02-23T13:16:00.000-05:00I forgot to say my prayer of humility this morning...I forgot to say my prayer of humility this morning, so me, who wore 23 in any sport played (baseball, soccer, basketball and football) from 1981-1998 (pre-knowledge of MJ), at which point switched to 37 as an homage to "Spaceman" Lee (and Nuke LaLoosh).<BR/><BR/>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0185947/EPorvaznikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653412963180740901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-40879212773004034592007-02-23T13:15:00.000-05:002007-02-23T13:15:00.000-05:00MLB - Jermaine Dye, baby! World series MVP!MLB - Jermaine Dye, baby! World series MVP!BobbyStompyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344775000528270647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-12995081544349484042007-02-23T12:50:00.000-05:002007-02-23T12:50:00.000-05:00these two 23's make a cute couplehttp://thebiglead...these two 23's make a cute couple<BR/>http://thebiglead.com/?p=1845Unsilent Majorityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702126159613748260noreply@blogger.com