tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post9221599636202224915..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Monday 06/18 A.M. Quickie:Tiger, Kobe, Bonds, Streaks, Bloggers, More!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-74136737697635571472007-06-25T10:14:00.000-04:002007-06-25T10:14:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jingoisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01269679565181077961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-36778010761084990562007-06-18T15:25:00.000-04:002007-06-18T15:25:00.000-04:00I'm a pretty good lipreader, here's what i saw whe...I'm a pretty good lipreader, here's what i saw when reviewing my Tivo:<BR/><BR/>-------------<BR/>Lee: You threw at me, i hate you<BR/><BR/>Young: That was nothing compared to the forkball I tossed your wife last night. She countered with a nasty slider.<BR/><BR/>Lee: What? (punch)<BR/><BR/>-------------<BR/><BR/>That's what I saw, I swear.marcomarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17507640418000407851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-61518618924750718662007-06-18T15:23:00.000-04:002007-06-18T15:23:00.000-04:00Peter Angelos needs to look in the mirror for the ...Peter Angelos needs to look in the mirror for the Orioles woes.<BR/><BR/>Sam didnt put that POS team together.Qwagmirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14731147733122184694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-30520920017670022022007-06-18T15:20:00.000-04:002007-06-18T15:20:00.000-04:00If a baseball player leaves the bench and does not...If a baseball player leaves the bench and does not throw a punch, he should be suspended. Baseball fights are just sad.<BR/><BR/>That being said, Lee should have just walked to first base. Unless Young called Lee's sister a moroccan terrorist, I see no reason to throw punches.rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09286062038193331350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-92088815183680390422007-06-18T15:13:00.000-04:002007-06-18T15:13:00.000-04:00Thanks for correcting me. I was thinking he might...Thanks for correcting me. I was thinking he might be back in baseball, but I didn't feel like researching it. I also couldn't remember his first name. I knew his last name was Greenberg. Still, the point of my post is the same. That ESPN article really explained the ill-effects of getting hit in the head well. Lee had every right to go after Young, who is a good pitcher and certainly has enough control avoid that. <BR/><BR/>I also loved how people were saying that something was going to happen Sunday. Nothing was ever going to happen. Maddux and Hill were pitching. Maddux wasn't about to hit his former teammates. Maddux was Hill's mentor while they were teammates so he wasn't going to pitch at anyone. That was just a stupid notion.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02827851943831518318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-7161254039321510452007-06-18T14:52:00.000-04:002007-06-18T14:52:00.000-04:00@ Andy & @ lawdog1214http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb...@ Andy & @ lawdog1214<BR/><BR/>http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2799439<BR/><BR/>http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Adam%2bGreenberg&pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&did=milb&pid=435279<BR/><BR/>He plays for the Wichita Wranglers, AA team of the Royals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-36178331155204518312007-06-18T14:19:00.000-04:002007-06-18T14:19:00.000-04:00@AndyI am almost postitive the Cub's player you ar...@Andy<BR/><BR/>I am almost postitive the Cub's player you are referring to is still in baseball.<BR/><BR/>I think he even played a few games at the major league level this year.Darklawdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10060727121837662812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-20655357274685515342007-06-18T13:51:00.000-04:002007-06-18T13:51:00.000-04:00and come to think of it - interference is penalize...and come to think of it - interference is penalized by the runner being out, so any illegal contact on the field results in a penalty of an automatic out and no baserunner being allowed to move up a base. Other than that, what other infractions are there in baseball - penalty for not throwing strikes = free base, hitting a batter with the ball = free base, illegal contact with a fielder = out, running in fair territory down first baseline = out...so there are penalties in baseball for all illegal plays.<BR/><BR/>Fighting is actually handled more harshly than in some sports - football it'll probably be just a 15 yard penalty, and depending on the severity only a T in basketball...in baseball the penalty is usually ejection from the game, and in some cases, pitchers are tosseed even before a fight just for throwing up and in.ndyanksfan05https://www.blogger.com/profile/17049529004061030914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-88120211869718998962007-06-18T13:44:00.000-04:002007-06-18T13:44:00.000-04:00you can be penalized in terms of moving players up...you can be penalized in terms of moving players up or awarding a ball to a batter if the pitcher balks or puts his hand on his mouth while on the mound...but other than that you are right.ndyanksfan05https://www.blogger.com/profile/17049529004061030914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-16889460529025848702007-06-18T13:33:00.000-04:002007-06-18T13:33:00.000-04:00Punishment in baseballInteresting that in all othe...Punishment in baseball<BR/><BR/>Interesting that in all other sports there are penalties for misconduct that affect the actual game flow: penalty box, foul shots, penalty kicks, 15 yards back, etc. In baseball, the only thing an ump can do is throw a player out. They can't call strikes or take outs away, advance base runners or the like.<BR/><BR/>Just another way baseball is unique.CycleDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933822029791530613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-80443811088497955222007-06-18T13:31:00.000-04:002007-06-18T13:31:00.000-04:00ndyanksfan,I agree with you that baseball is fine ...ndyanksfan,<BR/>I agree with you that baseball is fine the way it is and doesn't need any more rules regarding benches clearing. However the rule in the NBA is not to protect the fans. It was a result of benches continuing to empty causing escalations of arguments into full scale brawls. The image wasn't good for basketball which already was fighting an image problem due to arrests of some of its players.CycleDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933822029791530613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-64356622578189741932007-06-18T12:50:00.000-04:002007-06-18T12:50:00.000-04:00Ok Derrek Lee was walking to first. They were exc...Ok Derrek Lee was walking to first. They were exchanging words and something that Young said made Lee turn around and say "What?!" ('what' is one of the few words I can determine when reading lips)<BR/><BR/>Young said something else and Lee started to throw punches. That's what happened and form my point of view Young is at equal fault if not more than Lee. I just want to know what Young said to get Lee to react that was because Lee is one of the most level-headed guys in sports<BR/><BR/>the only thing that I can think that Young said was something like "Yeah I threw at you"Johnny bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03825230779882177065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-48515238078312511892007-06-18T12:32:00.000-04:002007-06-18T12:32:00.000-04:00There is nothing wrong with the current system in ...There is nothing wrong with the current system in place - the only reason you can't leave the bench in basketball is because of the fans in close proximity to the action. There is no threat of the fans getting hurt/involved when the players congregate 100 feet from the nearest spectator.<BR/><BR/>Leave the whole thing alone. Guys who fight get suspended...by everyone being able to leave no one is out manned in a fight...if suspensions came down if certain people left the bench there would be ambiguity if one team clears the bench and the other team then leaves to go protect its players. The rule is fine, beans/ensuing brawls are part of the game and create the balance needed for teams protecting players etc. Its all part of the game and is currently dealt with appropriately.ndyanksfan05https://www.blogger.com/profile/17049529004061030914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-26468511938045440852007-06-18T12:17:00.000-04:002007-06-18T12:17:00.000-04:00Easy fix to the fear of the batter being outnumber...Easy fix to the fear of the batter being outnumbered 9-1 when charging the mound:<BR/><BR/>The 3rd (and 4th, and 5th, etc.)guy in sits for 5-10 games.<BR/><BR/>Anyone leaving the bench and/or bullpen (exception for managers, unless they mix it up themselves) gets 10-15 games.TBenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10337905315011989614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-90475469709993690672007-06-18T11:59:00.000-04:002007-06-18T11:59:00.000-04:00@BrianLee wasn't staring down Young. He was walki...@Brian<BR/><BR/>Lee wasn't staring down Young. He was walking to first base and the two were exchanging words. I think the batter has every right to punch a pitcher after getting hit. The pitcher has such an advantage over a batter in a HBP situation. A pitcher can control where the ball goes. He can aim it at the batter. Does a pitcher get hit by a batted ball occasionally? Absolutely. But that is never intentional and completely uncontrolable. <BR/><BR/>That ball was thrown at Lee's head. A couple years ago a Cubs prospect was called up in September and was hit in the head on the first pitch of his first at bat. He's no longer in baseball because he has blurry vision from it. Throwing at someone is never OK, and if Young said something to Lee that made Lee think it was intentional, then Lee had every right to go after him.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02827851943831518318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-39168637477555974882007-06-18T11:56:00.000-04:002007-06-18T11:56:00.000-04:00Instead of the players leaving the benches/bullpen...Instead of the players leaving the benches/bullpens....the police should. Unless it's a boxing / MMA event or "mutually agreed upon" hockey tussle, the fights are NOT the jurisdiction of the referees, but rather the civil servants.<BR/><BR/>End of argument (literally). A batter with a bat, or a cop with a nightstick, who do ya like? :)Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-76067842461659096992007-06-18T11:53:00.002-04:002007-06-18T11:53:00.002-04:00Andy-Regarding the Tiger intimidation factor- they...Andy-<BR/><BR/>Regarding the Tiger intimidation factor- they showed an amazing stat during the final round. I can't remember exactly what it is, but it was basically this: the person Tiger plays with shoots an average of 4 or 5 shots worse than he does in final rounds. <BR/><BR/>The thing to remember is that Cabrera didn't have to play WITH Tiger to win the tourney. I feel bad for the kid that did, he totally self-destructed.Rogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08588687231104700516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-17396283923383991052007-06-18T11:53:00.001-04:002007-06-18T11:53:00.001-04:00Personally, I like the U.S. Open and the scoring. ...Personally, I like the U.S. Open and the scoring. Par is supposed to be what you shoot. If a usual golf score is supposed to be 65, 66, 67, etc, then par would be 65, 66, 67, etc. But a usual golf score is supposed to be par. Golf is the only sport that is just as equally competition against the course as it is against the other player. Oakmont beat the field. At other courses, the field beats the course. There's nothing wrong with the U.S. Open winner shooting +5 for the tournament. The USGA is making par relavent again, and I love it!!Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02827851943831518318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-91157738492670681692007-06-18T11:53:00.000-04:002007-06-18T11:53:00.000-04:00Andy, I understand that Lee's generally a good guy...Andy, I understand that Lee's generally a good guy, and may have been provoked. But the whole sentiment in baseball that it's okay for batters to start crap by staring down pitchers is ridiculous. If he's got a problem with Young, take it up after the game. Did anybody ever charge at Bob Gibson? That's what I'm referring to. What, if Lee and a couple of teammates confront Young in a tunnel after the game, suddenly it's misdemeanor battery? But if he goes after him on the field, that's "okay" because it's within the competitive environment? That's wrong.<BR/><BR/>On a happier note....everyone always pointed out about Jack Nicklaus that not only did he win 18 majors, he had 18 second-place finishes. Maybe Tiger's just trying to catch up on THAT one, too!Brian in Oxfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053368055698118199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-52586003170695966852007-06-18T11:51:00.000-04:002007-06-18T11:51:00.000-04:00I don't like the idea of auto suspensions for leav...I don't like the idea of auto suspensions for leaving the dugout/ bullpen areas. In all other sports, teams have an equal number of players on the floor. Baseball, teams are outnumbered by 5-8 players on any given "on-field" situation. If that situation gets out of hand in a hurry (as they sometimes can -- i.e., Cubs/ Padres), the player on the field is outnumbered and in a bad situation. Baseball benches clearing *almost never result in any kind of actual fighting. Rather, having equal numbers of people there probably helps defuse the situation. Think Derek Lee would have not gone back after Young (even with Giles holding him back) if there was no one else between them? <BR/><BR/>But, Lee is truly one of the class acts in baseball. I am sure he said something to Young, but I am sure that Young responded with something that pushed Lee over the edge!Natsfan74https://www.blogger.com/profile/02774593132826810650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-80687512592813054932007-06-18T11:33:00.000-04:002007-06-18T11:33:00.000-04:00No I-told-you-so for the exciting finish to yester...No I-told-you-so for the exciting finish to yesterday's Open, Dan? What could support your argument that scores in relation to par are overrated more than a +5 nailbiter like yesterday afternoon? That was the ultimate triumph of scores in relation to other players.malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03373802507578634117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-91520211598800342572007-06-18T11:26:00.000-04:002007-06-18T11:26:00.000-04:00MikePCFL,I really feel for all Baltimore, Toronto ...MikePCFL,<BR/>I really feel for all Baltimore, Toronto and Tampa Bay fans (there are TB fans, right?). Being in the same division as perennial powers such as the Yanks and Red Sox makes it tough.<BR/><BR/>The concept of parity in the NFL where every team will be decent every few years really does make it easier to follow a team that hasn't had much success. It wears on a fan when their team is never competitive.CycleDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933822029791530613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-34992457785582701822007-06-18T11:24:00.000-04:002007-06-18T11:24:00.000-04:00@Andy,is any news about football at this point of ...@Andy,<BR/><BR/>is any news about football at this point of the year necessary? I say no.Ftrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11136143693025542474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-2989174266586663112007-06-18T11:20:00.000-04:002007-06-18T11:20:00.000-04:00This just in. Yahoo! is already doing sign up's f...This just in. Yahoo! is already doing sign up's for Fantasy Football. Is this really necessary this soon???Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02827851943831518318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-64617600522878196172007-06-18T11:19:00.000-04:002007-06-18T11:19:00.000-04:00What I hate about TigerThe media. It is not really...What I hate about Tiger<BR/><BR/>The media. It is not really Tiger's fault. I am not a golf fan either but I get enough coverage just from watching SportsCenter. They opened with it will be really tough emotionally for Tiger since it is father's day. Out of 100 golfers or so don't you think that at least one other golfer lost his father or has an ill father in the last year? I hate hearing crap about how good a father Tiger's father was. He probably was. I don't think he was a better father than I am but my kid is not a world famous athlete so I guess I can't be as good a father. I hate ESPN sometimes.CycleDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933822029791530613noreply@blogger.com