tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post939048840837320073..comments2024-03-17T03:18:56.070-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: Rick Ankiel Is a Cheater: He's Worse Than BondsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-43496445122206404112007-09-09T09:56:00.000-04:002007-09-09T09:56:00.000-04:00Beetle, you can't seriously attack players solely ...Beetle, you can't seriously attack players solely on the grounds that steroid use is a crime -- by that logic, the Babe's career is tarnished since he was drinking during prohibition.malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03373802507578634117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-44544099633707693222007-09-07T19:43:00.000-04:002007-09-07T19:43:00.000-04:00Does anyone else get sick and tired of the way the...Does anyone else get sick and tired of the way the media over sensationalizes EVERYTHING?<BR/><BR/>I just read a story on the espn site that said "In the midst of 1998, Associated Press reporter Steve Wilstein observed that McGwire had a bottle of androstenedione in his locker, not proof that McGwire used steroids but eyebrow-raising stuff."<BR/><BR/>Androstenedione.....not proof....but eyebrow-raising stuff? WTF does that mean? How in the hell was it eyebrow raising? A guy has a legally sold, over the counter supplement that is NOT an anabolic steroid in his locker and it becomes eyebrow raising? NO it's not. <BR/><BR/>I'm not debating here whether or not McGwire used steroids but to say that the andro was eyebrow raising when it was a completely LEGAL, sold over the counter supplement, is complete BS and downright irresponsible reporting.<BR/><BR/>People reporting and over sensationalizing like that need a swift punch to the jaw to make them realize just how completely stupid they are.Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441777331759844235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-57635927524490655282007-09-07T19:33:00.000-04:002007-09-07T19:33:00.000-04:00To the guy who said "Seriously, finding out a base...To the guy who said "Seriously, finding out a baseball player used steroids is about as surprising as finding out a supermodel snorted coke."<BR/><BR/>Get your facts straight. Ankiel at this point is ALLEGED to have used HGH, not steroids. 2 very different things. HGH does not build muscle mass the way anabolic steroids does.<BR/><BR/>So, 3 years ago he was rehabbing from rotator cuff surgery. He was a pitcher, not a hitter. HGH 3 years ago has no effect on his hitting today and HGH isn't going to do much in the way of building muscle mass for you to hit the ball harder and further anyway. HGH was not a banned substance at the time he was ALLEGED to have taken it. So, he did not violate MLB rules. There was a damn question on ESPN today asking if he should be suspended. WTF? Suspend a guy who did not violate the rules? Are you going to go back and suspend other know offenders who used anabolic steroids whereas Ankiel used HGH? And you want to suspend him even though he didn't violate a rule? <BR/>WTF are people thinking? If Ankiel wanted to be this big cheater and become some great juiced up super hitter ala Bonds don't you think he would have used anabolic steroids instead of HGH(allegedly)? <BR/><BR/>Has anyone noticed Ankiels physique? Not exactly Bonds like. He's not a very big guy. Have you actually seen him play? He has maybe the best bat speed I have ever seen. That's not something you get from HGH. Nor do you get power from HGH.<BR/><BR/>To top all of this off, did anyone hear the comments by his agent, Scott Boras? Boras said all of it is untrue and it never happened. That's a pretty strong statement from a guy, to put his own reputation out on a limb. That says a lot. So, maybe it's not true. How about we actually let some more facts come out?Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441777331759844235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-12243146773255302992007-09-07T17:27:00.000-04:002007-09-07T17:27:00.000-04:00You talk about having a blind spot to sports heroe...You talk about having a blind spot to sports heroes. Well, everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that EVERYONE in the Major Leagues was on amphetamines, which are just as illegal, and probably doing more harm to society than steroids are. We also have a blind spot to all the people who were probably on steroids before they were banned, but were smart enough to not leave a paper trail or deal with Radomski.<BR/><BR/>Another place to find people willfully turning a blind eye would be at Qualcomm Stadium on Sunday, where I'm sure there will be a ton of #56 jerseys in the stands.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16038528939146720559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-68511476713114361042007-09-07T17:04:00.000-04:002007-09-07T17:04:00.000-04:00Ken Dynamo:Thanks for proving Whitey Herzog right....Ken Dynamo:<BR/>Thanks for proving Whitey Herzog right.TBenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10337905315011989614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-52997328966298225162007-09-07T15:27:00.000-04:002007-09-07T15:27:00.000-04:00With Troy Glaus' name coming out, just everyone be...With Troy Glaus' name coming out, just everyone be warned, anyone could be next. Could easily be a favorite player of yours.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-12166617145433046822007-09-07T14:24:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:24:00.000-04:00ikekrizzule...I couldn't agree with you more. And...ikekrizzule...<BR/><BR/>I couldn't agree with you more. And what about those guys who did it "the right way" and didn't make it, simply because others cheated their way to the top?<BR/><BR/>It's not just the home run records, etc. that bother me. The spiderwebs of badness that all this creates may not even be apparent. What if you are in the Wild Card race in the American League and your team loses an Interleague game because Ankiel hits a homerun? Then you lose out on the Wild Card by one game? <BR/><BR/>Everyone always talks about the records and individual stats. No one ever mentions the entire teams/cities that may get cheated out of a World Series because of cheating.Lance A Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03954532811638565639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-69441964750484173112007-09-07T14:19:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:19:00.000-04:00cnn.com is reporting troy glaus recieved steroids ...cnn.com is reporting troy glaus recieved steroids too. Man, I just get the feeling this is going to burst wide open.<BR/><BR/>sounds like alot of players took them when hurt or sent to the minors.<BR/><BR/>anyone that doesnt think that steroids or hgh doesnt improve what you can do, specifically your ability to heal, lessen injury and perform more often, is kidding themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-42296143955158241222007-09-07T14:05:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:05:00.000-04:00I hate the, "Everyone's doing it, so its okay defe...I hate the, "Everyone's doing it, so its okay defense." I grew up dreaming to myself that I could be a professional sports star. Did I really believe it would happen? No, but its nice to have hopes and dreams.<BR/><BR/>Why should someone growing up today's dream be, "I can be a professional sports star, but only if I mangle my body with illegal drugs." The dream and the possibility of fulfilling that dream should not be reserved just for those willing to sacrafice their bodies, their health and the breaking of laws to live those dreams.IkeKrizzulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462121707162240038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-64628202485675033952007-09-07T13:38:00.000-04:002007-09-07T13:38:00.000-04:00Sabernomics has a good take on this (and on HGH in...Sabernomics has a good take on this (and on HGH in general): http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/09/ankiel-and-hgh/<BR/><BR/>Basically, there's no evidence that HGH actually helps athletic performance (see his earlier post on HGH that he links in that one).<BR/><BR/>As for willfully ignoring a player's flaws? Its kind of minor, but intellectually I know Cal (and thus the Orioles) would've been better off if he would've taken a day off every once in a while, but i still admire the hell out of the streak.<BR/><BR/>Also, Sean Taylor is a gun criminal but I still root like hell for him.Granthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05061187704203343425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-60134619226547218812007-09-07T13:17:00.000-04:002007-09-07T13:17:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lance A Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03954532811638565639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-31664484238312698322007-09-07T13:10:00.000-04:002007-09-07T13:10:00.000-04:00One thing to remember, while MLB had no rules agai...One thing to remember, while MLB had no rules against steriods, they were ILLEGAL to possess without a prescription from a doctor. And I would bet that baseballs steriod users were trying to hide the fact that they had them so they obtained them ILLEGALLY. I.E. forget homerun records, possible jail time could've been in their futures.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10483505888228133482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-9028635352998277452007-09-07T13:08:00.000-04:002007-09-07T13:08:00.000-04:00The one problem with the argument that since steri...The one problem with the argument that since steriods weren't banned by MLB, that players shouldn't be blamed for taking them, is that steriods have always been illegal. <BR/>Therefore, Bonds, Ainkiel, McGwire, and my beloved Rodney Harrison aren't just cheats, they are guilty of crimes. What Ainkiel did was really no different than buying a year's supply of blow as far as the law is concerned.Beetlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02410305706883429994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-30879422254517156912007-09-07T13:01:00.000-04:002007-09-07T13:01:00.000-04:00@ gangsta d: You're absolutely right, and that's ...<I>@ gangsta d:</I> You're absolutely right, and that's the stance I've taken for the entire Bonds' episode (and to a lesser extent, McGwire & Sosa). I can't stand the man, I hate the fact that a guy who admitted to using illegal enhancements when they were legal now owns two of the most historic baseball records around. But he's done nothing wrong since MLB took their collective heads out of their collective asses and actually made a rule. I personally choose to ignore Barry Bonds and anything he says or does.<BR/><BR/><I>@ theotherone79:</I> That is a fantastic point about the cortisone shots, and probably the best way to illustrate just how stupid this whole thing is. If cortizone were outlawed at the end of the season, do we wipe all teh record books clean because players used something that was allowed at the time but would now be illegal? <BR/><BR/>The thing is, times change, and the rules must adapt with them. So while it's nice to sit back and condemn someone for doing something four seasons ago that is <I>now</I> against the rules, there's just no basis for an argument.Big Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11478232002387175988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-83436818739222516732007-09-07T12:35:00.001-04:002007-09-07T12:35:00.001-04:00Now Now Dan...don't get your jean shorts all in a ...Now Now Dan...don't get your jean shorts all in a bunch. <BR/><BR/>especially since it doesn't sound like you'll have time to iron them with all this "work" you're going to do today. <BR/><BR/>I home mrs. DS isn't pissed the ironing isn't done when he gets home...i mean she.BLUEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01547964589052140083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-51541572143668761732007-09-07T12:35:00.000-04:002007-09-07T12:35:00.000-04:001) Willful blindness -- Lance Armstrong. C'mon, pe...1) Willful blindness -- Lance Armstrong. C'mon, people, let's be honest.<BR/><BR/>2) No way can you play the "HGH wasn't illegal" card for Ankiel and yet crucify Bonds for taking steroids -- they weren't banned by MLB when he was juicing.malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03373802507578634117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-53526388075182487562007-09-07T12:03:00.000-04:002007-09-07T12:03:00.000-04:00Wow. Ummm.....So you got all that from that articl...Wow. Ummm.....<BR/><BR/>So you got all that from that article written by that guy who was proven to have made up virtually everything in that column by the guy who invented the brace.<BR/><BR/>For further info on how wrong you are, see this...<BR/><BR/>http://www.danshanoff.com/2007/08/tuesday-<BR/>0807-am-quickie-bonds-schilling.htmlGuyInTheCornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281686811471557576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-41512366586878591302007-09-07T11:58:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:58:00.000-04:00MLB Note. Jonathan Papelbon's stat line over the ...MLB Note. <BR/>Jonathan Papelbon's stat line over the last 9 innings pitched; <BR/>0 Hits 1 Walk 14 Ks. <BR/>Since August 1; <BR/>13.2 IP 1 Hit O Runs 23 Ks 4 BB<BR/>11 Saves. <BR/><BR/>So, why no Cy Young talk?Beetlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02410305706883429994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-82463040671767101352007-09-07T11:57:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:57:00.000-04:00Wow, Dan's overreacting again. Big shocker. The wo...Wow, Dan's overreacting again. Big shocker. The worse than Bonds statement is just so stupid (and so classic Dan) that no comment can adequately debase it.Leggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01092327297013894417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-10031762722503843552007-09-07T11:41:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:41:00.000-04:00guyinthecorner -I'm not sure what you're asking me...guyinthecorner -<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what you're asking me to say. (a) my comment about Bonds' elbow armor was NOT a sarcastic statement because (b) I DO believe that it has aided him immensely at the plate.<BR/><BR/>Again, using Willie Mays as an example. How many homeruns do you think he would've hit if he didn't have to worry about getting hit by an inside pitch? How much extra elbow support does a brace that firm and massive add? In my opinion, quite a bit. It has a freaking locking hinge at the joint, for crying out loud. <BR/><BR/>Force = mass x acceleration. Barry has added mass because his PEDs allow him to swing a heavier bat and because he is actually transporting the additional weight of the armor. His acceleration is greater because he's got the additional strength to generate body rotation. In addition, his elbow - because of the brace - does not have any "give" in it upon contact with the ball. A normal humanoid's elbow would lose/absorb some force at impact. Adding up the gain from both the PEDs and the elbow armor, he's getting much more force than a "normal" player.<BR/><BR/>I do apologize if you're a big Bonds fan and I've offended you, but I certainly can't say that my previous post was intended to be sarcasm.Lance A Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03954532811638565639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-13594498719512961472007-09-07T11:33:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:33:00.000-04:00Rugby World Cup to start in 3 hours. For those of ...Rugby World Cup to start in 3 hours. <BR/><BR/>For those of you who get the Versus network on cable or satellite, try to check out the game at 3PM on Sunday (tape delay from today).CycleDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933822029791530613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-21088806520291047332007-09-07T11:29:00.001-04:002007-09-07T11:29:00.001-04:00ok - enough updates. dan shanoff and will leitch ...ok - enough updates. dan shanoff and will leitch are upset - we get it. everyone else in the world will go back to caring about pennet races CFB and the NFL. please talk about that, as it is interesting and relevent. this story is done.Ken Dynamohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061339942941183172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-75081665640949914252007-09-07T11:29:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:29:00.000-04:00Come on guys. You can't criticize Bonds and then m...Come on guys. You can't criticize Bonds and then make excuses for Ankiel. If HGH wasn't against the rules in 2003, then whatever Bonds was taking wasn't against the rules either. And if you're naive enough to believe he stopped taking them then you should probably take Bonds word that he stopped as well. If that's not convenient enough for you, that's tough. Ankiel = Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield, Merriman, Harrison, Matthews Jr., McGwire, Palmeiro, etc, etc, etc. <BR/><BR/>It sucks because it seemed like a great story, but it's not. I mean, guy going from a huge pitching prospect to a power hitter? How could we all not have thought that PEDs could've been part of the equation? <BR/><BR/>Oh well, we can all get on with our lives and know what we already all knew, that any one and every one of our favorite players/stories could be juicers.ToddTheJackasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333015679479284215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-29027966223933581672007-09-07T11:15:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:15:00.000-04:00lance a boyle-For the sake of your own reputation,...lance a boyle-<BR/><BR/>For the sake of your own reputation, even if it is untrue, please state for the official record that the following comment was sarcastic in nature:<BR/><BR/><I>"And don't even get me started on Bonds' use of the giant piece of armour on his elbow...."</I>GuyInTheCornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281686811471557576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-75108407918786167942007-09-07T11:05:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:05:00.000-04:00I am a little disappointed by this news, that's fo...I am a little disappointed by this news, that's for sure. But after reading the link Dan posted, this is old news and there is nothing at all implicating he is using the stuff since maybe 2005. The article in fact clearly stated he stopped BEFORE MLB officially banned HGH. There is a chance that there was a legit medical reason for him to have been prescribed this.. I am really not naive enough to believe it will play out that way, but let's withhold from the "this is the worst PED story ever routine"Erik Huntoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02360667752111326811noreply@blogger.com