Saturday, December 02, 2006

CFB Saturday Live-Comment Tailgate
FINAL UPDATE: Ohio State vs...?!?!

UPDATE 2!: Before this game, if you told me that USC would lose, I would have had a hard time deciding between Michigan and Florida. But based on Florida's performance in the SEC title game win over Arkansas -- combined with Michigan's previous opportunity to beat Ohio State -- I couldn't argue more strenuously for Florida to play Ohio State in the BCS title game.

Here's what it's going to come down to: How many human voters -- Harris poll and Coaches' poll -- will vault Florida over Michigan based on the SEC championship? (And what will the computers do with the new data? Isn't it worth pointing out that if UCLA beat USC and USC beat Notre Dame that Michigan's single high-quality win of the season -- over Notre Dame -- continues to look less and less impressive?)

All records being equal:
1a. Florida won the SEC title.
1b. Michigan didn't win the Big Ten.
2. Florida played a tougher schedule.
3. Florida had more quality wins.
4. Michigan had their shot vs. Ohio St.

You don't have to be a Florida fan -- just someone who loves college football -- to understand that the only title game that makes sense, justifies the bodies of work and upholds the fairest sense of competition in an otherwise murky process is to pit Ohio State versus...Florida. Let the debate begin.

(PS: The real winners in all this are all all the folks who want to see a playoff system. No matter who gets picked -- Michigan or Florida -- it should help accelerate and facilitate the creation of a playoff... which, as all of you know, I have yet to hear of a system that doesn't create as many problems as it purports to solve. But that's a debate for another day, because we've got a hell of a debate going right now...)

UPDATE!: I don't care if USC wins -- the way they've played today, they don't deserve to play in the national title game. Let's hope they lose and make it a non-issue. If voters/ESPN hold "style points" against Florida recently, they sure as hell better hold it against USC right now. Meanwhile, Florida is playing their best game of the season, TD notwithstanding. I hope voters are paying attention -- I can imagine they're a little focused on USC-UCLA right now... -- D.S.

Our last regular-season CFB Saturday Live-Comment Tailgate of the year. I'd be all nostalgic if it wasn't for the compelling game storylines: Rutgers to BCS? Wake Forest to BCS? USC to title game? Florida BCS controversy? Michigan scoreboard-watching? And, of course, Army-Navy.

Have your say in the Comments section all day long. (Oh, and since there's no real Quickie-style wrap-up today of the biggest storylines -- CFB and otherwise -- coming out of last night and this morning, please feel free to drop in your own news items, complete with your own spin. The rest of us will pile on.)

-- D.S.

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Sheldiz said...

well i walked right into that one... :)

GuyInTheCorner said...

Scar Tissue-

You need to chill. Like Ted Williams' head style.

and btw 200 comments

GuyInTheCorner said...

Who deleted those?

(screaming towards heavens)
Shanoff? Is that you Shanoff?

Sheldiz said...

it says "by author".... which, frankly, makes me laugh.

ted williams. haha.

Mike said...

Is that you God?

scar tissue said...

and Strength o sched:

Per Sagarin:

UM (13)
FLA (31)
Ark(49)

I think these are before today's games but you have to wonder how much a FlA's SOS is helped by playing a team with the 49th toughest sched.

scar tissue said...

shelly - be thankful they were deleted :)

Sheldiz said...

i read them, thanks.

GuyInTheCorner said...

I really hope the Heisman voters are watching this.

Mike said...

You know, I love how Hawai'i is taking advantage of Oregon State's expectation that they're going to be throwing on every down in every redzone appaerence.

GuyInTheCorner said...

I don't like the running.

I'm here for the records baby.

scar tissue said...

with all the bs nowadays there's no geek out there who can predict what will happen?

scar tissue said...

Corso just pulled the :

1) "they had their chance"
2) "its the SEC"
3) "Mich didn't play this weekend"

logic.

idiotic

GuyInTheCorner said...

Is it just me.....

or is this acually starting to be a really good game?

Sheldiz said...

yep. i'm invested now.

scar tissue said...

please tell me Corso doesn't have a AP vote. And did a landfill explode on the HI field?

GuyInTheCorner said...

scar tissue

apparently the wind is blowing stuff out of the stands.

side note:

Mike, Sheldiz-

there's no turning back now, but what the hell are we doing during halftime?

Anonymous said...

get this-I read in today's paper that Lee Corso has another full time job. Can you guess where it is?
.
.
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The Dixon-Ticonderoga pencil company! Now we know why he always points at the camera with that pencil in his hand.

I am not joking.

Mike said...

2 words:

Free Cell

Sheldiz said...

i was thinking about starting a discussion on matzoh ball soup.

no?


i'm going to drink another beer and possibly have a "i only smoke when i drink" cigarette.

GuyInTheCorner said...

1 word

Solitaire?

Mike said...

Man, I haven't gotten to have matzoh ball soup in so long...stupid being at college over Passover...

Mike said...

One down, three to go.

GuyInTheCorner said...

I, as some have noted (see Coach K isn't Jewish, Go Jordan Farmar! discussions) am jewish, and am therefore a huge matzoh ball soup fan.

By the way one of the genious announcers called that obvious late hit a non-foul due to continuation (basketball).

RIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

and that was a crazy TD pass from the Colt

GuyInTheCorner said...

Mike where do you go and where are you from?

Same goes for you Sheldiz.

I am from the Maryland side of the DC suburbs and a TERP.

Sheldiz said...

From: Baltimore, born and bred.
Now: Silver Spring, MD
Undergrad: Villanova
Grad: UMBC (current)

Mike said...

From Richmond, currently at Virginia Tech. GO HOKIES!

GuyInTheCorner said...

Very nice, and judging by the Matzoh ball comments we are all "yiddin".

Colt Update:
19 for 24 passing 203 yards 1 TD 0 INT
4 rush 32 yards 1 TD

Jon said...

Damn their are a lot of posts. Michigan still deserves the shot over Florida.

Sheldiz, see that Nova game tonight? 99 points?? Nothing compared to the 201 that that one team scored, but still impressive.

Sheldiz said...

well... given that i went to villanova, its pretty safe to assume i'm not yiddin'. :)

jon! welcome to the party!

Mike said...

Heh, apparently guy.

So, who else is excited to watch all the pundits go face first off the USC bandwagon over the next few days?

Anonymous said...

mgoblog has a (tongue in cheek of course) of Florida and Michigan. They include such factors as, "who did they side with in the Civil War?"

Anonymous said...

ok, so apparently preview doesn't always work? That post should have included the phrase "hilariously biased side by side comparison" before it blew up.

Jon said...

Thanks.

What's the worse mascot to be: the Notre Dame leprechaun or that Hawaiian guy with the crazy hair? That has to suck walking around campus and being known as "that" guy.

GuyInTheCorner said...

Just cause you went to Villanova doesn't mean you aren't one of the yiddin. I know quite a few yiddin at Georgetown.

Hey! didn't you start the Matzoh ball convo? What gives?!

Sheldiz said...

This one might win worst mascot:

Gunston — a green creature with a colonial tri-cornered hat named after Gunston Hall the colonial-period home of the namesake of George Mason University

Sheldiz said...

yeahhh... that was based on one of scar tissue's removed comments about me. apparently i should spend my time commenting on something i know about, like matzoh balls, instead of sports.

Jon said...

Not too many yidden pass through Villanova.....I don't recall knowing even one while there.

Mike said...

Aw, but we love George Mason!

Sheldiz said...
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GuyInTheCorner said...

I personally love mascots. My Favorite is still the Marshall Thundering Herd. Not just a great name, great logo, and guy in suit.

http://www.angelfire.com/wv2/craftsnstitches2/MarshallBullnogrid.jpg

http://ct.pbase.com/u10/craig_c/small/37839318.PC237245manualX.jpg

ANYBODY EXCITED FOR COLT GOING 99 YARDS FOR THE TD?

Sheldiz said...

no offense to the team or anything... but come on, their mascot wears a tri-cornered hat!

Jon said...

So, DePaul beat Kansas and Marquette lost to North Dakota State? Big East basketball is going to be very interesting this year.

Mike said...

Anyone else getting the feeling one of these catches is just going to go all the way?

Jon said...

What's wrong with a tri cornered hat?

Sheldiz said...

the big east is wide-freaking-open this year... its going to be good. i can't get over how overrated gtown was going into this season. and of course i love watching them lose (what self respecting novan doesn't?).

GuyInTheCorner said...

North Dakota State I'm pretty sure is INDEPENDENT and has only been D1 for 3 years. That's pathetic. Marquette beat Duke.

Sheldiz said...

ooo eeeey, i wouldn't want to meet a tri-cornered hat in a dark alley...

Jon said...

ND State knocked somebody (Wisconsin?) off last year too. They need to get into a conference. Maybe they could get us that first 16 seed win....hopefully against Duke.

Jon said...

Doesn't the GW Colonial have a tricornered hat as well? Watch out for those dark alleys down there in DC.

Mike said...

God, what I wouldn't give to see a 16 seed win this year...

Sheldiz said...

its going to be oral roberts!

Mike said...

Go ORob!

Jon said...

Oral Roberts over Florida?

Mike said...

Wrong color jersey Colt.

Sheldiz said...

dude. read the wikipedia article about oral roberts.

GuyInTheCorner said...

I would love to see it be Duke that goes down....

By the way, here's a segment i wrote about why I hate duke for your enjoyment.

2. Duke University Basketball
Again, there are things that you should know: the fact that nobody likes Duke Basketball is one of them. Duke fans will tell you that the reason everybody hates them is because they are always good. This is correct, but completely untrue. If you didn’t understand the previous sentence, you aren’t the only one. I don’t really understand it either. I guess it does have something to do with the fact that they are always good. But it’s a bunch of other things too. Like the Cameron Crazies. They have a certain quality about them. I like to call it the “I Hate That Quality”. Then there’s Coach K. I dislike the fact that they get all the top recruits every year but it’s still a great coaching job that they have a shot at the title. They also don’t win the championship very often (once in the last 15 years). We still hand over the reigns of the best basketball players in the world. We like to call it USA Basketball. How did that turn out? Oh, and by the way, don’t have a letter represent your name unless both of these two factors come into play: You are one of the 26 (numbers of letters in the alphabet) best ever at whatever it is you do and that letter actually makes the same sound as the beginning of your name. Neither of these applies to him. And he looks like a goblin.

Sheldiz said...

i think dan's head would explode if it was Oral Roberts over Florida.

Jon said...

Is that a bad comb over that K has or just a bad hair cut?

SF said...

Herbstreit said it best: you cannot vote for a team simply b/c you WANT them in the game...you vote for the two best teams -- IF, as a voter, you are voting for Florida, simply because you do not want a rematch, then said voter SHOULD NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO VOTE...remain objective, or do not take on the responsibility...

tha fact remains, Michigan is the better team, and the current system calls for the the top 2 teams to play for it all

AMEN -- go blue

Sheldiz said...

coach K looks like an insurance salesman.

irrelevant, but true.

Sheldiz said...

holy, non sequitor, batman.

Jon said...

Just wait. If Florida gets into the BCS championship, we'll get to hear about the Florida potential double national championships....I guess you have to latch on somewhere when you go to a school with awful major sports programs.

GuyInTheCorner said...

this 264th post breaks the record for most posts in 1 comment setion on this blog

the previous holder was the first thread.

Jon said...

Are we going for 300 comments?

Mike said...

Well, that was quick by Oregon State.

And I vote NO on Michigan because they had their shot, and the whole thing about the BCS is it needs to "preserve the sanctity of the regular season."

...wait, nevermind. Screw the BCS, rematch ahoy!

Sheldiz said...

jon. no jinxing.

shit, its 2:20?

Sheldiz said...

mike, you are getting dangerously close to talking about notre dame.

Jon said...

2:20? Sounds like it is time for another beer.

Did you get to see Westbrook when he played at Nova?

GuyInTheCorner said...

I'm so ready for Colt to make a great pass on this 3rd and 25.

GuyInTheCorner said...

That almost happend.

Sheldiz said...

i did! he went to one of my formals, actually. i knd of wish i had been better friends with him, now.... :)

another beer? don't mind if i do....

GuyInTheCorner said...

31 for 38 354 yards 1 TD 1 INT

Jon said...

He was fun to watch. Definitely should have been at a better football school. The team with him and Finneran was pretty sick....for a D1AA school.

Jon said...

Is Hawaii's defense bad or Oregon State's QB pretty good?

GuyInTheCorner said...

i think it's both

Brian - Beacon, NY said...

I just turned the game on. What's all the white crap on the field? Just garbage/paper that blew onto the field?

Sheldiz said...

this turned into quite a game.

Jon said...

Yeah, it's not too bad....much better than Ghost in a Teeny Bikini.

Sheldiz said...

i seriously can't get over the fact that the coaches are wearing hawaiian shirts. i mean, it makes sense, but.....

GuyInTheCorner said...

Colt needs 57 yards to hit 5000 on the season

Sheldiz said...

i'm optimistic

GuyInTheCorner said...

brian-

They are dealing with very high winds that are blowing things out of the stands and onto the field.

Brian - Beacon, NY said...

guy
thanks for the response

Jon said...

they'd make great pro bowl coaches.

Mike said...

You know what? Screw Notre Ame (as in no D. Thanks Forde).

Well, I'm going to watch the rest of this game from my bed. Good luck Colt!

Sheldiz said...

peace out, mike

GuyInTheCorner said...

I think that means we've lost MIKE

Brian - Beacon, NY said...

and that throw sucked

Sheldiz said...

i've come this far.... i can make through anothe 2/3rds of a quarter... so, uh, a 1/6th?

Jon said...

One last shot at Notre Ame before leaving...nothing wrong with that.

GuyInTheCorner said...

still plenty of time for Colt

great choke by the freshman

Brian - Beacon, NY said...

damn i love watching live sports at these unGodly hours. just like the college b-ball tournies in maui and alaska. it's GREAT

Sheldiz said...

have to get a touchdown here.

Jon said...

That was a nice spot.

Brian - Beacon, NY said...

but im gonna watch the rest of this in bed. nite y'all

GuyInTheCorner said...

only 1 td and 23 yards short now

GO COLT GO

Sheldiz said...

a) touchdown!

b) has anyone said yet how freaking awesome the name "colt brennan" is?

c) i'm just now discovering his checkered past.

Sheldiz said...

peace out, brian.

Jon said...

what's his checkered past?

GuyInTheCorner said...

checkered past?

Sheldiz said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Brennan

i'm using the term 'checkered' sensationally.

GuyInTheCorner said...

GREAT RETURN!!!!!

COLT CAN DO IT!!

Sheldiz said...

i'm going to be pissed if they get this touchdown on a run.

GuyInTheCorner said...

I hear that.

He's 10 yards short of 5000

GuyInTheCorner said...

WOW.

He needs this.

Jon said...

Well, at least we won't have to stay up through 3 OT's....

That play didn't work out too well. Maybe he took the sack to get some more passing yards.

GuyInTheCorner said...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sheldiz said...

dammit.

GuyInTheCorner said...

They will get the ball.

If Colt can't get the TD at least get the 10 yards for 5000 on the year.

Jon said...

This baby's over. I'm out. You all have a goodnight.

Sheldiz said...

peace out, jon

GuyInTheCorner said...

I'm sure as hell booing!

Sheldiz said...

hail mary time

GuyInTheCorner said...

Common yellow flag!

Sheldiz said...

scratch that. 2 seconds? shit.

Sheldiz said...

minus the non-record breaking, still a pretty good game.

GuyInTheCorner said...

Was it just me or was there a chance that was going out of bounds on a bounce?

Anyway, it's been fun. Eventhough Colt couldn't pull it off.

Goodnight to all.

Sheldiz said...

goodnight, troops... xmas shopping tomorrow since the ravens don't play. catch you all after NFL tomorrow.

:)

Anonymous said...

Why should the BCS and Voters reward the Big Ten for not having a Conference Championship?

Had the Big Ten had one THE REMATCH would have happened today and the winner would be playing UF for the National Title.

The NCAA will NEVER have a playoff but ALL Conferences should have a Championship. Anyone can argue for Michigan in the Title game, but it would be a disgrace to reward a Conference that doesn't have a Championship game by putting their two best teams in the BCS Championship.

Florida vs. OSU ALL THE WAY!!!!!

Sorry Michigan fans blame the Big Ten for Not getting your Rematch!

RexyBack said...

So hey I realize I've had as many celebratory beers as the rest of you up this late (DS is totally going to block me) but Michigan already had themselves to prove AND THEY WEREN'T EVEN IN THE GAME

Second.Place.

Not.Conference.Champions.

Missed.Titlegame.Opportunity.

Anonymous said...

read this and look at all the points as to why FLA should play OSU and not UM.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=2684345

and can we please stop with the neutral field thing?? Cuz if not any team that ever loses on the road will be bitching about laying the other team on a neutral field. If that is the case... Ball St wants to play UM on a neutral field.

Troy (Gainesville, FL) said...

The vibe was good in Gainesville last night. But... I don't know. Anyone know when/if the poll results will be leaked?

I believe that in a system designed to make these tough decisions, everything has to be taken into account. It's not a fair system, it's not. So people like Herbstriet should stop bitching and saying that voters who take the rematch into account shouldnt be voters. You have to take everything into account. And Herbstriet is wrong: this isn't to decide who we think the two "best" teams are--shit, people still think LSU is "better" than Florida. This is to decide who gets to play in the National World Championship, and everything should come into play.

And when you take everything into account--the Schlabach article does a decent job, but is a little skewed toward the Gators--I think UF has to come out on top.

That said, I think Michigan will be the team the poll spits out, just out of inertia. Oh well. Only a few more hours till I know whether I need to buy Sugar Bowl tickets or make plans to be in Gainesville on Jan 8...

Troy (Gainesville, FL) said...

I'm also getting sick of the "better loss" argument. Florida lost by 10 at Auburn, but it was much closer than that. Michigan lost by 3 at OSU, but it wasn't quite that close. So Michigan has the advantage there. But not by a lot. And if we were willing to rank USC over Michigan (despite their bad bad loss to OSU) because of their overall resume, then it should be obvious that UF is the choice, as their overall resume is better than Michigan's and USC's.

Think about it. Here are the arguments for Florida: SEC Champs, played more top ranked teams, played more bowl teams. The arguments for Michigan: lost to OSU, had slightly better offensive numbers than Florida (against a weaker schedule).

It seems to me the only reason voters would put Michigan in teh game over Florida is that they've seen Michigan play OSU and know it would probably be a decent game, whereas they probably still secretly think LSU is the best team in the SEC.

Steve said...

It's always amazing to me on these ESPN polls how freaking close to the overall totals Kentucky is. I swear they are never off by more than 1 percentage point. They are definitely the most representative state in the U.S. Kentucky has also voted for the winner in the last 11 presidential elections.

ChrTh said...

@fishbuc:

Only one problem with your argument:
OSU would not have played Michigan in a Big 10 Championship. UM and OSU would be in the same division. Maybe a PoSU rematch, then? (I would guess UW would be in the OSU/UM division as well).

ChrTh said...

@steve:

I just can't believe Hawaii and Idaho are split down the middle on this one. I hope it doesn't result in sectarian violence, or secession (North Idaho, the 51st state?)

john (ann arbor, mi) said...

Troy -

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

I wouldn't complain about Florida being in the NC Game, except I'd be sad that a whiner like you (you haven't always been this bad; why start now?) would get what he wants.

The scores of the UM-OSU game and the UF-Auburn game were the scores. That's how scores work.

Michigan's offensive numbers weren't padded by any 62-point games.

Keep on comin', I'll keep on shuttin' you down.


This call is easy to make for biased people (me, you, DS, most people). It would be very hard to make objectively. Fortunately for you, everyone also gets to consider the spectre of OSU-UM II Hype, which is the consideration that I sorta think will swing this thing for the Gators.

But let's not bitch about getting screwed until somebody gets screwed, aight?

Troy (Gainesville, FL) said...

Steve, I notice that Florida is pretty representative, too. Unless, of course, a Florida team is in question. But even then we don't stray too far, since the state is split up between FSU, UF, and (theoretically) Miami fans.

Troy (Gainesville, FL) said...

One more thing, and I think this is the most important point of the day.

ANY VOTER WHO PUTS MICHIGAN OR FLORIDA AT ANYTHING OTHER THAN 2 OR 3 IN ORDER TO TRY TO MAKE HIS BALLOT COUNT MORE NEEDS TO HAVE HIS VOTE DISCOUNTED AND BE BANNED FROM EVER VOTING AGAIN.

I only say this because I can just feel that this will happen. Luckily, we get to see all the indivdual votes to make sure nothing screwy happens. And if Spurrier votes Michigan and UF misses out, I don't think he would ever be able to show his face in Gainesville again.

ChrTh said...

I feel sorry for Jim Tressel. If he votes Team A as number 2 and Team B goes to the NC, he created bulletin board material just by voting!

Well, 'sorry' is too strong of a word because tOSU wins by 30 regardless. But you got to feel for the man.

ChrTh said...

BTW, I didn't stay up for O(R)SU v Hawaii because the 3-OT battle in the hills drained me. Poor Rutgers. I really wanted to see WFU-RU in the Orange Bowl.

Of course, now I can root all out for Louisville to be stomped by the Demon Deacons. GO WAKE!

Troy (Gainesville, FL) said...

The scores of the UM-OSU game and the UF-Auburn game were the scores. That's how scores work.

OK, this is fun. Yeah, OK, those were the final scores. but it's not the numbers, it's the way those scores get spun. Auburn-UF was not the greatest game ever, but it was every bit as competitive as the Michigan-OSU game, which is my only point. So when ESPN anchors get on TV and wax poetic about Michigan-OSU being the greatest game theyve seen in a long time, it just gets me a little mad. Especially since the Rutgers-Louisville game was far superior in every possible way.

And why aren't Michigan's stats padded with a 62-point win? What were they doing against Ball State? And as for the rest of the schedule, I think the higher level of competition UF played week in and week out makes up for any statistical discrepencies.

And since when is it whining to argue your point?

Troy (Gainesville, FL) said...

Fortunately for you, everyone also gets to consider the spectre of OSU-UM II Hype, which is the consideration that I sorta think will swing this thing for the Gators.

Actually I think this is what ultimately wins it for Michigan. UM-OSU II is easy to defend from a hype standpoint. The first game is being billed as an instant classic that would have coume out even on a neutral field. The rematch would do massive ratings and ultimately satisfy a lot of people.

Whereas I think the voters are still wary of Florida, still fear we'd lay an egg against OSU.

But either way it goes down it'll be a good game. OSU isn't as unbeatable as people seem to think (shades of USC last year, Oklahoma in 04 aand 03, and Miami in 02) and either Florida or Michigan would make a great matchup. Only, you can't convince me that Michigan deserves it more. I guess I should shut up, go study, and wait till this evening...

TF said...

Most the analysts are on Florida bandwagon, outside of one, Herbstreit.

It will be close. I just don't see how many can justify Michigan in the National title game.

Outside of "they play Ohio State close" they really don't have an ace in the hole.

Joe(Dayton)

Anonymous said...

The thought of Chris Leak in a game against OSU's defense is comical. He should be shitting himself right now. A shovel pass intercepted?? That's ridiculous. Ohio State is going to destroy him.

It's a real shame that, if Michigan doesn't go to AZ, they'll get stuck with USC in the Rose Bowl. I really wanted to see UM play an SEC team. And I guess LSU will get stuck with Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl. Yikes.

Anyway, I think there is a good chance we see a "+1" game in the future. Just about all of the recent BCS controversies could have been settled if there was simply one extra game at the end of the season.

Maybe the BCS formula will end in a tie and UM will be forced to play Florida.

TF said...

Your right cause Leak hasn't played 6 of the top 30 defenses (Statistically) in the country this year...

Ohio State is far from the dominating team you think they are.

I will also say this. Ohio State hasn't seen a defense like Florida's all year.

Joe (Dayton)

nep1293 said...

Easy way to determine the BCS Title Game

Have every Vanderbilt Player/Coach vote on who the better team is. Majority wins

The heroin sheik said...

JUst got back from atlanta with my dad and we both agreed it was by far the most enjoyable game to watch all year. Even though we let them close the gap we both knew in our hearts that there was no way in hell we were losing. I called it halfway through the season that it was shaping up to be just like 96 so to all you haters a big orange and blue FUCK YOU.

My friends taped the game and showed me the bit where vern lundquist i think was comparing michigan and florida's respective schedules. I have to say that there is no comparison. Florida destroys them in degree of difficulty. I only wish it was the orange or sugar bowl hosting the championship game because there is no way im getting to go.

From what I saw of the rutgers game impressed me even if they lost. I bet that kicker is kicking himself now. I don't know who they are returning next year but if that team is pretty much intact I bet they are a top 15 team easy. KNowing the voters though they will put them like 20 or something and put them in a hole that is almost too deep to crawl out of.

2 bits 4 bits 6 bits 12 we are the gators go fuck yourselves.

ChrTh said...

tf said "I will also say this. Ohio State hasn't seen a defense like Florida's all year."

They said the same thing before the UM-OSU game, and UM has a better defense, and OSU romped all over it.

So your point is ?

TF said...

Michigan's Defense is NOT Florida's defense. Did you NOT see what Florida did to McFadden?

Joe (Dayton)

Anonymous said...

Uh, wasn't McFadden hurt?

It's easy to defend the run when a team has no passing game, too.

The heroin sheik said...

oh yeah one other thing. It seems like people want to hate on the gators because we played close games but you all seem to forget one major thing about the gators. Id take our defense over anyone else in the country and about a third of the nfl. Auburn game they didnt score a td on our defense but got their tds on a pick 6 and a botched punt I believe. If you take away the 14 points last night leak basically gave them it is a huge blowout. Yeah leak sucks and like my dad said Im glad he is leaving after one more game. Every game of his career it seemed like he would throw the game away then do somthing spectacular to make us love him again.

IT is a shame we lost ray mac but even without him and thomas we held ark to what like 120 yds rushing? If we get our rightful spot at OSU it will be a lot closer than you guys think. I see that championship game going something like this back and forth keeping it close in the third quarter osu goes up like 14 points followed by chris leak throwing 50 yd bombs in quick succession to bubba caldwell, dallas baker touchdown maker, and percy harvin. troy smith makes up the touchdown to tie it with a minute left. leak marches us down the field and chris hetland that asshole kicks a fifty yarder into the wind that floats around and actually is good because that dude is due.

Steve said...

Chrth,

Regarding Tressels' vote, voters can vote for a tie for 2nd if they so choose.If Tressel is smart this is what he'll do.

Regarding a Big 10 conference championship game, they need to have 12 teams first. Assuming Notre Dame joins, really the only logical choice, and wanting to keep rivalries intact, they definitely would split it east-west.

Penn St. Ohio St. Michigan Michigan St. Notre Dame and Purdue in the East. This would leave an Ohio St.-Wisconsin championship game this year. I know the East seems incredibly hard split that way but it's the way that makes sense.

TF said...

McFadden was getting nowhere before he was "hurt"

PS - Percy Harvin had the same injury plus a spinal bruise. It really seemed to hurt his game.

Kevin said...

Uhh...didn't the *great* Florida defense give up 28 last night to Arkansas? The Razorbacks are a good team, but not nearly OSU's offense...

Andy said...

All this UM-OSU talk reminds me of last year when everyone was making sarcastic cracks that ND's best game was a loss (to USC).

Oh no, wait, no one is making sarcastic cracks this year. Big shock there.

Fuck you, Michigan. I want to see Florida.

Anonymous said...

Remember a couple years ago when Ohio State went to the championship against Miami ever game they played was close there was no stlye points Granted they never lost but, they beat the teams they had too. Plus Greg Krenzel was their quarterback thats a handicp right their Chris Leak handicap. done and done put them in the championship

Anonymous said...

forgive the spelling in a rush

Troy (Gainesville, FL) said...

Uhh...didn't the *great* Florida defense give up 28 last night to Arkansas?

No, they didn't.

Anonymous said...

Dont know if this has been said before, I dont want to look through 350 posts for it. But Shanoff you are an idiot. Michigan's only quality win was not Notre Dame. In fact it wasnt even their best win. Their best win was Wisconsin, who deserve to be in the BCS way ahead of Noter Dame or USC, or Wake Forest for that matter. Maybe you should start stating the actual facts.

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