Fiesta!!!
(Click here or scroll down to see my full post on this all-time amazing game. And here's a link to the best video clip I could find that contained all the plays.)
Where will the unbeaten Broncos finish in the final rankings? I'd put them at No. 3, behind
So much for
USC is No. 1... in '07? USC's big win is very similar to
It sets up the Trojans as everyone's team to beat next season. (Without Dwayne Jarrett? Hmm. BTW, he is SICK.)
Nick Saban to
Cards fire Green. Who's next? I've read re-tread Mike Sherman is interviewing, along with Ron Rivera, Norm Chow and Jim Caldwell. If I wanted to focus on offense, I'd hire Chow. If I wanted to focus on defense, I'd hire Rivera. Neither is a bad pick, and both would increase the NFL's pathetic number of minority head coaches.
Falcons fire Mora. Who's next? I read that Blank and McKay will be sure to ask any candidates how they plan to use Vick. Uhh... ya think?! (If they didn't ask Mora that question, maybe McKay should've been fired.)
Bill Cowher done in
Knight 880: Unbreakable record? Of the Top 2 contenders to do it – Coach K won't last long enough before retirement, and Billy Donovan won't last long enough before jumping to the NBA. Plus, it's a moving target: It's not like Knight is retiring any time soon.
NBA back to the leather ball: It returned last night. Keep an eye on whether players struggle with the transition wedged right into the middle of a season. I sort of doubt it.
AI vs. Sixers tonight: I have to believe that Philly fans are too drunk on the Eagles' success to truly care.
College hoops: OK, OK, I believe – After watching UCLA dismantle a very good
Condolences to family, friends and fans of Broncos CB Darrent Williams. What a horrible story.
-- D.S.
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You realize that if (when) Florida gets destroyed by OSU that they won't deserve to be ranked #2 anymore, right?
Didn't the "smartest bloggers and analysts" think Brett Favre was retiring at the end of last year, too?
It cracks me up how emotions get the best of some of you people out there…and, yes, I am talking specifically about you Michigan/Big Ten homers(this comes from some of the comments on the bowl wrap up last night). Somehow, Michigan getting their ass kicked in the Rose Bowl makes Florida worse? Now Ohio State is going to win 50-3? What is that? I don’t draw any major conclusions from any bowl game that isn’t the championship game, but that Rose Bowl certainly didn’t support the notion that Michigan deserved to be in the title game. And rest assured, Florida is NOT going to give up 50 to the Buckeyes. The most they have given up all year is 27(Auburn) and 28(Arkansas), both games including at least one defensive and/or special teams touchdown by the other team. Ohio State has not seen a defense like Florida’s all year, including that “vaunted” Michigan squad. The only conclusion I have drawn is that Lloyd Carr is slowly morphing into John Cooper.
USC may enter next year at #1, but that is only because of the slurping machine that is ESPN/ABC, with their USC/Big Ten biases. Florida will be the best team next year…the talent level there is staggering, just not talked about.
It doesn't make Florida any worse cause they aren't that good to begin with. Just saying that when they lose the title game and have their 2 losses they deserve to drop in the rankings. They don't automatically get to be #2 because they lose to the #1 team. Just ask Michigan that.
So all year I said Boise State should be ranked #2 (as high as the other undefeated teams) on this blog and I was laughed at. Now I wouldn't have any reservation of ranking them #1 if Ohio State loses. That was an insane game. I'm not sure if it could be considered better than USC/Texas because of the implications of the latter, but you couldn't ask for a more exciting game. Love the call going for 2 in OT. I guess they figured they had better chances getting 2 yards for a win with one of the best backs in football.
Since I'm a GT alum I have to comment on GT/WVU. Reggie Ball sucks. Gailey is obviously a moron for ever playing im this season. Even when Tech loses Calvin Johnson, they are going to improve next year with a legit quarterback.
Also, if I was an NFL general manager, Dwayne Jarrett would be in my top 7 at the least. Probobly about a half a notch below CJ. That guy is insane. (and Steve Smith isn't too shabby either)
Now that Oakland is on the clock, do they take best available (Calvin Johnson) or the quarterback (Brady Quinn)? I would swap picks with Detroit, pick up a 3rd rounder, take Calvin at #2, and not have to shell out as much cash.
Are there any LSU fans here? I'm curious how LSU fans think about Saban possibly going to Alabama.
So after reading about how "the whole season is a playoff" and how "on the field results mean everything", you think a two loss Florida should be ranked AHEAD of 13-0 Boise State if they lose next week?! Did you see the SEC teams play yesterday? At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if ND beat out LSU.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if ND beat out LSU.
Whoa, let's not go nuts here.
Dan I know you hate Coach K but the man is not even 60 and his teams average 25-30 wins a year. He has over 750 wins right now and his teams win almost 10 games a year more than Knight's. I do not think he will retire for another 10-15 years and by then will have shattered the record.
Also please stop sucking Billy Donovan's dick that dude has no chance of making it in the NBA just like his mentor Rick Pitino. He should stick around at Florida and continue to build that program.
pootie tOSU may not score 50 on Florida but were is Florida going to score points? There offense sucks and I do not think the Gators have seen a defense like tOSU. The Bucks also have one of the best big game coaches in the country.
dude has no chance of making it in the NBA just like his mentor Rick Pitino
Just because he has no chance to make it doesn't mean he's not going to try.
Anyone seen the "AM Jump" on espn page 2 yet?
Talk about slappin' it to Dan....we'll see if it's actually any good first, of course....
futurelegend:
so you are telling me florida's offense is worse than michigans? even if it is "not quite as good", michigan still put up 38 on the buckeyes. tressel is an excellent big game coach, but he hasn't won all the big games. if he did he would have more than 1 national championship in 6 years. i am not predicting a florida win...but the fact that everyone gives them no chance is mind boggling. do we learn nothing from history? like the underdog in the bcs title game is 6-2 alltime?
Anyone seen the "AM Jump" on espn page 2 yet?
Talk about slappin' it to Dan....we'll see if it's actually any good first, of course....
Outlook not so good. DJ Gallo is one of those people who thinks he's funnier than he really is, and he uses the same jokes over and over again.
Of course, the same is true with Dan, but at least Dan ran a wicked morning chat.
@pootietang:
Tressel does win all the big games. He's won every BCS bowl game he's played in (3 for 3 so far). He's beaten Michigan every year except 1, and that was the post-national championship year after they lost a lot of starters.
Yes, they lost versus Texas last year, but that was because he was still platooning Zwick with Smith.
But I think the most important thing, and the one I keep bringing up, is that Tressel has already been one of those BCS underdogs that has won. He knows that the overwhelming favorite can falter. He has real time experience with that phenomenom. He's too good of a coach to let the Buckeyes suffer a letdown.
Therefore, Florida's only hope is with talent. And they just don't have it.
oh, and holy shit, I'm in 4th freakin' place in the pool?!
If Florida lose by more than 3 points, which common opponent are we to use?
What a great evening and night of football. The Rose bowl silenced all those haters in michigan (thank god) and the Fiesta is by far the second best bowl game I have ever seen. IF I weren't such a gator fan it would have been number one but a National title blowout against your archrival is pretty tough to top. Even my fiancee who isn't much of a football fan was glued to the TV. OF course for most of the game she thought I was actually watching the gators. I think the hook and ladder might have taken the top spot in the greatest play ever. Sure the cal stanford 5 lateral play was amazing but it didn't have the ramifications that the play last night had.
Congrats to bobby knight he is cool in my book.
The AM jump on espn is pretty weak.
BTW, I think everybody is spending waaaay too much time discussing who should finish 2nd or 3rd. I mean, does anybody honestly care? Who's going to remember?
pootie 2 of those Michigan TDs came on tOSU turnovers deep in Ohio State territory. I know that is part of the game but if tOSU does not make those mistakes then you are looking at a 42-24 OSU win and no debate about Michigan getting another shot. YOu could also make an argument that Michigan's last TD was a garbage TD when the Bucks were in the prevent so the score could have been 42-17. I am not one of the people who think UF is going to get run out of the stadium I just do not think they have enough talent on the offensive side to win. The long layoff is going to hurt both teams but I think it will hurt UF more than tOSU.
Common opponents won't matter if Florida loses by more than 3. Dan won't even acknowledge someone like say... Vandy...
chrth -
so bobby bowden(2000), bon stoops(2003) and pete carroll(2005) should bow down to tessel because they had never been underdogs in the title game before and therefore were not privy to the wisdom of coach sweater vest and could not avoid the upset? these buckeye players were not around in 2002. if and when the florida defense gets a pick 6 or the like, buckeye buttholes will pucker no matter who the coach is. as lou holtz would say, "these are 18, 19, 20 year old kids" coaching is important...execution is key. even senator tressel will tell you that. by the way, platooning zwick and smith was a coaching decision that cost him a "big game". do you have an answer for the penn state game last year. oh...but he has won all of them.
@pootietang:
You have me confused with a Notre Dame fan. I don't think my coach is the greatest coach who has ever lived. There are plenty of coaches who are equal or better than him.
That said, he's smart. Sometimes too smart for his own good (Zwick/Smith platoon being an example), but smart nonetheless. I'm hoping he learned the lesson from the Michigan game and doesn't go conservative when staked to a strong league.
And the Penn State game wasn't a big game, they were already virtually eliminated from the championship. If every game of the season is a big game, then there's no such thing as a coach who wins big games because nobody goes undefeated year in/year out. Using USC as an example: the Oregon State game wasn't a big game (granted, maybe they should've treated it like one), the UCLA game was.
As I've stated several times on this board before, the only way to make up a talent gap is through coaching (or a shitload of luck). There is a talent gap between tOSU and UF. Does this mean tOSU can't lose? No. But if they do lose, it ain't going to be about coaching. That's my point.
Happy New Year Everyone.
The Am Jumps sucks they should of just kept going on witht he quickie.
Boise State should be #2 if Ohio State Beats Florida and #3 if Florida Beats Ohio State.
Did anyone have a worse weekend then the Denver Broncos, I feel sorry for all the players and staff.
Personally I am more excited for the NFL playoffs this weekend the the BCS Fraud Championship Game. Can;t wait to see LJ run all over the colts, the Pats beat up on the Jets, the Seahawks end Bill Parcells coaching career and show what a fraud Romo is, and the Eagles to keep the run going by beating Eli and the Giants.
OK, Dan, you've got to tell us at some point why ESPN got rid of you... and then spent 4 months giving the Quickie an ESPN The Magazine makeover and assigning a new writer. I mean, Jesus--that's a little harsh.
@ chrth:
"I think everybody is spending waaaay too much time discussing who should finish 2nd or 3rd. I mean, does anybody honestly care? Who's going to remember?"
I agree, that most of the country isn't going to care who finishes #2, assuming tOSU wins next Monday.
Except for the people in the North Mid-West. If Boise St. finishes #2, not only is that a major coup for all non-BCS conference teams, it immediately lends creedence to those teams, and positions Boise St. as one of those "up and coming" teams to boost their recruiting potential.
By the way - although my body is telling me different today, I will never regret watching that Fiesta Bowl start to finish. Re-freakin'-diculous.
@Richard:
Don't forget Choice seemed to like knowing when he was getting the ball handed to him too. I never thought Bennett would be that good. I did like the announcers mentioning that Gailey should have made the switch midseason.
My hunch of what the voters would actually do...
if OSU wins: OSU, LSU, USC, BSU, Louisville, Michigan, UF
if UF wins: UF, OSU, LSU, USC, BSU, Louisville, Mich.
Shit, i totally forgot Wisconsin... just ignore me.
chrth -
just one last comment. the penn state game was HUGE last year. osu still could win the big ten and had outside shot at bcs title game. so there are 2 "big games" that tressel lost. whether or not tressel gets outcoached by urban meyer is not the point. and the talent gap is not the point. if talent was the only indicator, the most talented team would win every year. it is how the team plays. coaching em up can only take you so far. its how the players react to adversity, execute the plays, make the right adjustments on the field, etc. i give you boise state as a great example. where a "player" gave the coach the play for the winning 2 point conversion. stoops wasn't outcoached.
pootietang,
I understand. I just don't know why you're assuming tOSU players (most of whom performed exceedingly well here just last year) will clam up while Florida players will come out like champs. I don't see it happening.
I know this is a little off topic but can some one tell me why the Saturday Night NFL game is the craptastic Seahawks vs Cowboys game. Is this the man love for all things Romo playing out? We know it is not about ratings since the Pats/Jets or Giants/Eagles would get much better ratings based on having the #1 TV market involved.
Actually, cmfost, Saturday night games usually get the worst ratings (worst night on TV). That's probably why they put it there.
chrth -
i just leave it as a possibility that it may happen. it is mainly a reaction to how so many people just assume osu will dominate the gators. i realize it is mostly anti-shanoff sentiment so i guess i should take it all with a grain of salt
1) the record will be passed by coach k, this regretfully being said by a unc student, but its true, he's the youngest and he won't stop winning at least 20-25 a year. good article on espn (forde maybe?) about how it will be hard to catch him because so few coaches are hired in their 20's. maybe ol' roy will chase him down.
2) the AM Jump is pretty lame, i prefer news in the morning, not a comedy page. dan always did a good job cracking some jokes, but it seems like gallo's whole point is the jokes, well, when isn't it i guess.
Two things:
First - here's the Fiesta Bowl's final 1:31, in all its glory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENwDDB0dlRk&NR
Second, it needs to be mentioned. Thom Brennaman did one hell of a job calling the end of this game. Didn't get preachy, didn't try to downplay the game, certainly captured the excitement.
I can't express how happy I am that Joe Buck was not on this game.
chrth--
I think pootie's referring to the PSU-OSU game from '05, aka the year JoePa forgot to pay off the Ann Arbor refs. That game also featured Zwick/Smith platooning and though the Nittany defense ultimately held Smith in check, still think he was brought in too late in the game to be a factor.
Lord now help me as I have actually defended Ohio State/Jim T. Gotta be the Youngstown State thing.
Chrth, except for when it came to the playoffs they always tried to put the best match up on the Saturday Prime Time telecast. I actually thin the Cowboys/Seahwaks game is the worst match up and Seattle is probably going to win by 2 TD's+
especially when Ohio St. seems to be one team that just doesn't clam up or get shaky.
Troy Smith is the quarterback I would bet the most on to not throw a pick-6, btw.
Florida can beat Ohio State, but it will have to do it straight up.
I wonder if seeing all the trick plays work for BSU make Meyer want to try more himself.
cmfost,
Hmm, I don't know then. Maybe because both teams stumbled into the playoffs they figure it'll be a close one? Seattle 7, Dallas 6? (that's turnovers, not points)
So...if a player called the play for boise st. on the 2 pt...does that mean Stoops was outcoached by a 19-yo kid?
People in Louisiana were openly referring to Saban as "Saint Nick" after he won the National Championship. People joked that he could run for governor of the state whenever he wanted and win hands down for the rest of his life.
When Saban took the job at LSU he proclaimed that he was "going to put a wall up around the state of Louisiana" to keep all the talent from going else where so that Louisiana's best players played for LSU.
LSU fans were so happy after winning the national championship, there was hardly any ill will when he left. Most wished him the best, and some still root for hi, with the Dolphins.
That said, if he takes the job at BAMA, LSU fans will feel betrayed and actively root against him (if it's possible to root harder against fellow SEC teams).
I still don't get why Saban would take that job in the first place. He wanted to be an NFL coach. His whole career was based on building a resume and being an NFL head coach.
The only thing I can figure is the $$$, in which case I'd root against him even more. If he takes the money from BAMA, I hope he pays for it with losing teams.
I don't get the "lack of minority coaches in the NFL" comment. The NFL has plenty of minority coaches. College football is a different story.
Off the top of my head,
Dungy, Edwards, Lovie Smith, Dennis Green and Art Shell. African Americans are about 10% of the population and over 15% of the current coaches.
In Div. IA NCAA football there are only about two black head coaches and that is out of 120+ teams. That is a real issue. The NFL is fine.
Congratulations to Boise State. Huge win, exciting game, great story, yadda yadda yadda.
However, beating Oklahoma does not launch them into the stratasphere of college football's elite teams. They beat an over-achieving Oklahoma team that was having a down year, who plays in the Big 12 that was having a down year (just look at the way Texas fell apart). Even their own conference, the WAC wasn't its usual self with the usually competitive Fresno St. having an off-year.
Big win? Hell yeah. Great game? Awesome! Happy for them? Of course. In the conversation as Best team in the country? I don't think so.
Boise State's Schedule:
Sacramento St., Orgeon St., Wyoming, Hawaii, Utah, La. Tech, New Mexico St., Idaho, Fresno St., San Jose St., Utat St., Nevada, Oklahoma.
Check out the new A.M. Jump at ESPN.com this morning written by DJ Gallo...
Uh, cycledan:
Dennis Green just got canned. Art Shell is about to. That drops your numbers to 3 of 32.
Personally, I hate the idea of being forced to interview a minority candidate just because of the color of their skin. I believe you interview the best people for the job, the people you believe to be the most qualified.
Putting people into a quota is just like saying "you were the best minority we could hire. You might not be the best, but at least we can trot you out in front of the camera and look like we're trying to make a difference."
Drives me nuts. And yes, I fully realize I'm saying this as a Caucasian Male in America - not exactly a dying breed.
Just for the fun of it I just wrote my playoffs preview for this weekends games. Check it out and let me know what you think.
http://cmfost.blogspot.com/
On minority coaches:
I am hoping beyond hope that this is the year Norm Chow is interviewed for an open position, is the only minority candidate, and Jesse Jackson complains because the team didn't interview any minorities. I am dying for this to happen.
I think Norm Chow would be a great fit for Arizona especially with Leinart there. I also think that if there was any chance for Pete Carroll to leave USC it might be to go to a young and potentially growing into a top team like Arizona as long as they gave him complete control over the team.
Also don't be surprised if the Giants job opens up and Charlie Weis leave Notre Dame for that opening.
Boise State! (they've got my attention)
What a great game. Love the tidbit last night when they showed the full page ad that George Mason took out in the Boise Newspaper. It wished them luck on behalf of dreaming what the "little guy" is capable of when they strive to achieve, despite when people (like us) try to keep them down, (like all we big school supporters have some sort of monopoly on greatness)
I was especially impressed watching Zabransky walk off the field after the late INT for a TD, and then come right back out, re-group and drive them down. Then again with the confidence the whole team showed in running the 2-point conversion.
That team has some serious potato sized huevos.
Couldn't be happier for them, and they did it with humility and class.
I see a gonzaga type future for them. Hopefully they can schedule some non-conference giants in the next couple of years, and maybe then make a case for turning the PAC 10 into the umm...PAC 10 (with 11 teams....see Big 10)
I too am sick of the entire "minority coach" speak in the NFL. The NFL is doing just fine. They should look at college football instead. Its the ultimate "good ole boy" system.
Yet another reason why the NFL is better then college.
Hey Shanoff, what do you think about this "A.M. Jump" they're doing on Page 2 now. Nice how they canned you, ripped off your Quickie and gave it a new name.
Stay classy ESPN.
I think we should sign up DJ Gallo for a large variety of porn emails.
Lame quickie ripoff with a facelift.
lame rip-off of a bill simmons joke, Marco.
tsk
On the minority coach deal, it's not about hiring more..it's about interviewing more. teams zero in on a coach (usually a white re-tread who probably stunk at his last job) and don't seriously consider anyone else.
I do agree that it is about hiring the person who is best for that job, but if people aren't being interviewed, how do you know they aren't the best one for the job?
I do agree College is the bigger problem.
not intentionally, but whatever.
I checked out that AM Jump and it pretty much sucks. I didnt even laugh once while reading it and there were no real insightful comments. I did see a Brett Favre slam, so maybe Dan is still contributing to ESPN!
Who did Ohio State beat? A bad Texas team? A bad Michigan team? A really bad Iowa team? Now that Michigan has lost, they need to beat Florida for legitimacy.
If Ohio State loses, Boise State should be #1.
#2 should matter. It will give Boise St. national exposure, make it harder for the BCS to screw them over next year and if there's any idea of "best team" or "second best team" outside of the ludicrous bowl system, then we need to give them the accolades they deserve. I can accept that an undefeated Boise St. can't pass an undefeated Ohio State on the basis of schedule (they didn't really try to schedule anyone tough). But I can't accept that an undefeated Boise St. is worse than any one-loss team, because there's no evidence of that.
"The only thing I can figure is the $$$, in which case I'd root against him even more. If he takes the money from BAMA, I hope he pays for it with losing teams."
Everyone whines about athletes and coaches "betraying" them for money, but no one turns down promotions or raises. If Saban gets more money, good for him, he should try to make as much as he can for his family and favorite charities. And if he spends it on hookers on a yacht or a cocaine habit or barry bonds' record-breaking baseball, feel free to call him an idiot or worse. But just criticizing a guy for legally making money is hypocritical.
Who did Ohio State beat? A bad Texas team? A bad Michigan team? A really bad Iowa team? Now that Michigan has lost, they need to beat Florida for legitimacy.
Wait, what? This is really sarcasm and I just totally misread it, right?
I couldn't understand the fuss over the AM Jump, but:
I HATE the AM Jump. I think what DJ writes is mediocre, but...
How hard is it to make a blog? Why can't ESPN.com get this right? It's only the most popular daily news format, you know?
Why a special Page 2 page without any decent writers, PLUS a special Bill Simmons page that is clear as mud PLUS a new AM Jump page? Just make a blog and people will love you. Blogs have the recent post at the top, we can link easily, we can comment, we can browse archives.
And they could have done this 4 months ago, and they could have continued a chat with the loose change in their lobby couches and they use espn.go.com even though no one in the entire world knows what go.com is... I'm getting depressed. They're incompetent and they're too top-heavy to know it.
More evidence that ESPN is suffering, and the sharks are circling: Fox, NFL Network, AOL, blogosphere, Yahoo, CSTV, Versus. Whether it was Dan's choice or not, this blog was a great idea. Eventually ESPN will be all online, and they're clearly too old to wrap their head around that.
@solomonrex:
"why can't they just use a blog?"
The things that make blogs great are the same thing that make them terrifying to mainstream media - no editors.
That, plus we can all post whatever we want without any fear of retribution.
For example - I'm starting a rumor that Lovie Smith is seriously considering starting Kyle Orton in the Bears' first playoff game. I have "sources" that have confirmed this to me as a definate possibility.
Now, if I'm wrong, I just shrug it off. If ESPN makes this mistake, there are ten million Bears' fans shrieking at them.
And two Bears' players in fear for their professional lives.
Troy, it's an overreaction, not sarcasm.
If Ohio St. loses, they look really bad now that Michigan was embarassed. Their strength of schedule is killed now, because they've basically beat a Texas team that was embarrassed and a Michigan team that was embarassed. So why are they good? Because people say they are? That's not good enough for a one loss team.
They need the championship game win. Their entire season was based on the Big 10 and Texas myths.
I'm ashamed that the NFL is only about 30% white. Don't they know that whites make up almost 70% of the population? These discriminatory hiring practices are making a mockery of my favorite sport.
We should impose strict quotas so that 70% of the players MUST be white, and that every time a team looks around for free-agent running backs and wide receivers and DBs, which are traditionally filled by African-American players, they must interview at least one white candidate. Also, 70% of players drafted every year must be white.
And yes, chrth, I agree - I can't wait for Jesse Jackson to stick his foot in his mouth on the Chow issue... I think it would be friggin' hilarious.
(And if anyone actually has to ask, yes, that's sarcasm in paragraphs 1 and 2.)
@ ma4tt:
Nicely played.
"And two Bears' players in fear for their professional lives. "
So what would be different...?
This raises a good question. If the Bears just eliminated their quarterback position, could they really do worse?
Isn't Florida's entire season based on the myth that the SEC was a good conference? Or is it based on that killer performance against a I-AA school in November? If anything Florida needs to win to prove that the SEC isn't as bad as everyone thinks they are now.
It's amazing how people can simultaneously bash a bad Texas Team and so openly praise that excellent Boise State team that beat a flawed Oklahoma team that a bad Texas team crushed months ago when Adrian Peterson was completely healthy. If Texas is not a quality win, then what is beating Oklahoma?
The game last night was great and I am glad that I stayed up to watch the whole thing. But let's not get carried away by the spectacular ending. Boise State won the turnover battle 4-2, scored 14 points off of turnovers and picked off a poorly thrown ball to a wide-open receiver in the end zone before blowing a 28-10 lead. Oklahoma played about as poorly as any team did yesterday and still came back to take 2 leads at the end of the game. Oklahoma blew a game it should have won easily. So let's not coronate BSU yet...
Is everyone forgetting that Penn State beat Tennessee? Penn State isn't a quality win for Ohio State now?
a 16 team playoff would end these useless(but valid) arguments. enough said
The SEC has looked HORRIBLE in the bowl games. Make sure you don't mention that Dan. It might look bad for "your" Florida team. You wife's-team-bandwagoning clown.
Is everyone forgetting that Penn State beat Tennessee? Penn State isn't a quality win for Ohio State now?
THANK you. Also, IOWA showing some life against Texas.
double for Wisconsin who also has not played any of these "quality teams"
a 16 team playoff would end these useless(but valid) arguments. enough said
THANK you too. Although some would bring up Turnovers, and poorly thrown balls to open receivers etc. to excuse some loss in the playoffs.
I'll be the first to indict myself, but we are all guilty of our biases.
"It's amazing how people can simultaneously bash a bad Texas Team and so openly praise that excellent Boise State team that beat a flawed Oklahoma team that a bad Texas team crushed months ago when Adrian Peterson was completely healthy. If Texas is not a quality win, then what is beating Oklahoma?"
Those "people" are ... me! I thought college was about the record and the regular season. If Boise State finishes undefeated, then they have a better body of work. Boise State won their last game, and it's not their fault that the team's name was Oklahoma instead of USC or Ohio State. They've also been a good team for about 5 years, so it's not like this one season could be a fluke.
If you're undefeated, you should be champion, and if the BCS can't get that right, then there is no real winner in college.
Have you guys (and gals) seen ESPN's E-Ticket yet Link
Good stuff
@solomonrex
You're insane. Look at the schedule.
In addition,
I can root against Nick Saban all I want if he goes to Alabama because LSU would have paid him whatever he wanted. He left under the pretense that he was going because he wanted to coach in the NFL.
It isn't the same as Red Sox fans hating Johnny Damon because the the sox wouldn't pony up and the Yankees paid him more.
Here's why a playoff would suck for Boise State:
Let's say a 16-team playoff. How many people here think Boise State could beat 4 top tier schools in succession?
Now, let me modify it slightly: How many people here think Ohio State could've beaten 4 top tier schools in succession four years ago?
If Boise State or the national champ Buckeyes have to go through a playoff, they finish the season with a loss. Instead, because of the BCS, Boise State gets a crapload of money, the ability to finish their season in dramatic fashion, and the comfort of knowing they can get this kind of support:
6) Does Boise State deserve a shot at Ohio State for the national championship?
81.0% Yes, they are the only other unbeaten and showed they belong in that game
19.0% No, the BCS system worked fine and Florida is more deserving than Boise State
With a playoff, they'd have none of that.
None, bowl related but Dan, have you seen the "AM Jump" the give DJ Gallo a Cold Pizza version of the Quickie??? Exactly who did DJ sleep with???
Of course you'll root against Saban if you want, but it's silly.
The E-Ticket was very cool. I didn't live it, so it's very cool to read about it. That poor quarterback is hilarious. And I can't believe the Miami players find ways to embarrass themselves decades later. Does Miami even have classes? Is it strictly a diploma-by-mail type thing?
Thanks for UCLA props, Dan!
That made my day.
I gotta say, Dan - I used to nail you on the Instant History stuff when you were still with the WWL (and I was still with Sports Media Watch) ... but I couldn't agree more with your assessment of the Fiesta Bowl. Just a stunning game to watch - and what most people aren't talking about is that it was a darn good game before the 4th quarter as well. Great open field tackling, solid defense from both teams, a few big play highlights ... that might be the most fun I've had watching two teams I don't care about.
" YOu could also make an argument that Michigan's last TD was a garbage TD when the Bucks were in the prevent "
And that argument is complete BS too. Because OSU was not in a prevent defense on the last touchdown to Michigan. Just watch the tape if you don't believe me. Not to mention your entire argument is pretty rediculous "If OSU didn't turn the ball over." Well If michigan didn't make two mistakes in the backfield those two huge runs wouldn't of happened either. But they did happen, just like the turnovers.
Dan, you are making it FAR to obvious that the us Michigan fans are getting to you. When you make huge posts attempting to demote them and making comments like "I don't want to hear anything from Michigan fans for atleast 6 months."
Well... if (or when) florida gets beat by OSU you will hear it from Michigan fans. And if they get beat by a lot. Oh boy are you ever going to hear it from Michigan fans. So your petty attempt to keep us quiet will only work if Florida beats OSU.
Michigan homer here. Michigan had a terrible start, due mysteriously to their offensive line and not so mysteriously to their secondary, end of story. They're better than that, but they're not better than USC.
But as long as we're taunting others, what about the SEC-Big Ten matchups, Dan? Both Big Ten teams underdogs, both winners. SEC dominance was refuted yesterday, too. If Notre Dame beats LSU (even though it won't happen) I don't ever want to hear a peep again about the depth of the SEC (even though it won't happen).
i have said this before on a few occasions, but it bears repeating today. the bowl games have NOTHING to do with how good or bad a conference really is. there are so many variables - injuries, motivation, suspensions, coaches with an eye toward "next year", disappointment, long layoff, academis problems, etc. that you just cannot zero in on how good a particular conferencr is. the only game that matters is the championship game. as great as the fiesta bowl was, as great as texas tech comeback was, etc., they are all games played in a vaccum by teams wishing they were someplace else. again, a playoff would solve these problems and also get a better indication of strength of conference. so bashing dan is convenient right now...just doesn't make much sense.
rafael hits the coach-race thing on the head perfectly. It is not racist to hire the best coach for the job. It is totally racist not to interview and consider minority coaches. But it's not just racist; it is also favoritist, illogical, unfair, and potentially detrimental to your team.
And don't talk about quotas for the players: every player is evaluated and hired based on merit. Coaching spots are totally not evaluated this way, and that is what should change.
I watched that Fiesta Bowl and could not get to sleep for another hour I was so amped about that ending. I was even composing my own column on "Why we watch sports" and why the Bowl games are still fun, the rain in Jersey kept me home watching football all day and I was ready to call it a night but I stayed to the end, wondering which of my freinds I could call without pissing off everyone's wife or wake up the kids.
pootietang:
You're right about most bowl games. Normally, you have two teams that are roughly equal in talent, where the spread is like a field goal or something.
BUT, when a ten point underdog wins, it's a little disingenuous to say that the underdog's victory was meaningless. When two teams get on the field, they both want to win badly.
@ rukrusher:
Same deal. Game ended just before 1AM, I lay in bed untuil about 2:30AM replaying the game in my head, wondering how the hell a "big-game" program like Oklahoma could get beaten by a play that doesn't work in High School, let alone college.
Of course, I was doing all this thinking with a huge grin on my face, because that was probably the best 25 minutes for 3 minutes worth of football that I've ever seen.
Finally fell asleep at about 3AM. Alarm clock went off at 6AM. And I wasn't even tired.
Of course, I'm dragging right now... Looks like there's an afternoon Dunkin' Donuts Coffee pit stop in my near future.
Not to burst your bubble, Dan, but it looks like you've been officially replaced at ESPN.com:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/amjump?page=amjump/070102
I can't wait to see Dan's reaction to the AM Jump....I'd have to guess he's met Gallo before at some sort of WWL cocktail party.
i have said this before on a few occasions, but it bears repeating today. the bowl games have NOTHING to do with how good or bad a conference really is.
And as I've said before and it speaks to adnteh's point, when each conferences #1's, 3's and 4's all play each other directly (like big ten vs. SEC) and one conference wins/loses ALL three (which will happen). How can you not say it shows the quality of the conferences teams?! and all I'm doing is trying to get people to see that the Big ten isn't as bad as everyone thinks. I ain't saying they are far superior like Dan has been saying about the SEC all year.
I realize you are an SEC homer, and I a BIG 10 homer, but c'mon.
jo fer -
i stand by my opinion that bowl games prove nothing. and if both lsu and florida win i will not all of sudden champion the sec. i believe the sec is the best conference in football based on tangible regular season games that have meaning. i think the big 10 is a close second this year. my theory that meaningless bowl games don't prove a conference's strength was first presented in this blog before the bowl games started. it has nothing to do with being a homer. now, if there was a playoff, where a big 10-sec matchup meant advance or go home, then you have something. so the title game, in my opinion, will only show the strength of the top of both conferences.
pootie:
If the general public thinks that Tennessee is more than a touchdown favorite against Penn State, and PSU wins, you are saying that the perception of PSU won't change? How about Kentucky beating Clemson?
This is the thing: when a team is expected by writers, and in Vegas, to lose by, let's say seven points, and they lose by seven points, that changes nothing. But, when expectations are not met, you're a fool not to change your beliefs. Why? Because those beliefs have been proven wrong. There are flukes, then there are trends.
You're right to say that single games don't matter, but trends do. I think that most people, even non-homers, thought that the SEC would win not just in the upper-tier games, but down to the bottom, because of the perception that they were "deeper" than anyone else. I'll admit that I was a little worried about unranked Big Ten versus ranked SEC matchups. Well, in games that mattered--Jan. 1 games--they didn't win. If Florida wins, and you have OSU and Michigan losing, it will shake yet another conception that we have about the teams this year.
You're making statements, but not arguments.
If Boise State finishes undefeated, then they have a better body of work.
That is nuts. That's the kind of thinking that gives the high school kid with the 4.0 who took 15 PE classes the valedictorian over the kid with the 3.9 who took 10 AP classes.
So did anyone see the poll on ESPN.com that asked: "If UF beats OSU, who should be the national champion: UF, Boise St, or USC?" USC?!? Really?! The people at the WWL have officially lost their collective little minds.
is USC starting to get a bit of the ol' Notre Dame treatment?
With admitted, but at least I think objective, bias (wink), I barely put the Big 10/11 ahead of the SEC if for no other reason their teams play football the way it was occasionally meant to be played: in the freezing cold.
Yeah, great E-Ticket column, too. Just what I needed on the 20th anniversary, a reminder that my parents bought me tickets to a Ratt/Poison show that night, a time when I didn't have my priorities straight enough. Eh, if nothing else, I hooked up that night...
I agree with the bowl games don't give you a true evaluation of a conference. The WAC is 3-1 and the one loss was by 1 point. Does that make them the best conference? No....the truth is bowl games are not like a regular season or even a playoff game. Teams have weeks off to prepare which means they can come out flat, or devise crazy schemes to confuse their opponents. On a week to week basis you just can't do that in conference. Which makes the fact that Oklahoma got beat on trick plays that they should have had scouted all the more sweeter.
Dan,
Other people may have pointed this out already, and you may be good friends with D.J. Gallo, but is this the biggest Daily Quickie rip-off ever, especially considering it's on ESPN?!?
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/amjump?page=amjump/070102
Did anyone else notice how dejected Herbie looked after USC kicked Michigan's ass? That dude was teabagging Michigan leading up to the Rose Bowl even saying that Michigan would win it all in the WWL's mock football tourney. I think Herbie looking so down has been one of my favorite moments of the bowl season.
>>I think Herbie looking so down has been one of my favorite moments of the bowl season.>>
Letting Herbstreit sit at the big boy's table on ABC has apparently affected his formerly more objective self. Maybe it's me, but I think he'd do best to distance himself from Musberger's presence and influence ASAP. Then again, I'm of the belief that the world would be a lot happier if Mucasbrain was limited to ESPN-only game coverage.
I used to like Herbie because as you said he was objective but I lost all respect for him last year. That is when TWWL ran their USC dicksucking fest on how they would fare against the greatest football teams of all time. This series was the epitome of Instant History and why it is ruining objective talk about sports.
I did not pay much attention to the series until they got to USC vs. the 1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers. I must state that I graduated from Nebraska and 1995 was my fresman year so I may be just a little bit biased. Herbie thought that 2005 USC would have beat 1995 Nebraska. I know this is a silly thing to get upset about because it is one person's opinion on a game that will never be played. To me Herbie is right now the biggest proponent of Instant History and it is really ruining his reputation.
As for Musberger he did have a good line last night that WRs need to act more like Larry Fitzgerald and less like TO but other than that he should have retired after CBS lost the rights to the NBA.
Maybe I'm dumb, but I think the BCS got it right.
What does Boise State win mean? It means that a Mid-Major needs an overtime, and 3 trick plays to beat a #9 seeded OK team that is no where NEAR the #1 in College Football. Sure, it was exciting, but you think LSU's Defense lets a wideout throw a touchdown when there is only one guy running a route? You think OSU goes down 28-10 at anytime to them? I like Boise State, and if you did a playoff, Id love for them to be invited, but lets not kid ourselves, they would be destroyed against the higher teams.
Should USC be #1? Well, they would have been if they could have won one little game. They lost and PAC-10 doesn't play a championship game which might have redeem themselves. Maybe after UCLA had USC returned to form in PAC-10 Championship against Cal instead of Rose Bowl with Michigan they could be in the national championship, they so instead all we know is they are the #3 team in the country.
Michigan, #4 is about where you should be, grow a pair and don't collaspe when the pressure is on and we might give you a shot at the crystal until then enjoy playing Midday on New Years
The BCS is running pretty much to form, and if Ohio State and Flordia is close, then who ever wins is the true champ. If a blow out happens, sorry USC, next time don't choke and sorry Boise, but really isn't it better to end your season in a thrilling game in primetime on New Years Eve than getting your Mid-Major ass handed to you by Ohio State? Cause they would, easily. No Hook and Ladder, no Statute of Liberty just a good old fashion bend over and take this
>>he should have retired after CBS lost the rights to the NBA.>>
Ha, good one! We'll always have Kevin Nealon's great hands-to-the-eyes while saying, "On Ceeee-B-S" impersonation, too.
THAT WAS BULLSHIT! How the hell did the booth think the knee wasn't down?!?
I'm watching the rest of this game under protest.
Ok, I've calmed down, and am willing to concede the possibility that maybe the ball was slightly coming loose, and thus they weren't able to reverse the call due to indisputable evidence.
Knee was down. At least it deflects criticism from the Bullshit Championship Series.
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